In this episode, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with someone very special — Jourdan's dad, Buddy Burks. At 70 years old, Buddy is living proof that it's never too late to keep growing, keep learning, and keep showing up for the people you love.

Buddy grew up in Pensacola, Florida, shaped by a Southern Baptist upbringing and a world where certain conversations simply didn't happen. But somewhere along the way, he decided that wasn't good enough. He started asking hard questions, examining what he'd been taught, and choosing people over positions.

In this honest and moving conversation, Buddy shares what it was like to learn about Jeff's story, how he chose grace over judgment, why he kept their secret in confidence for years, and what he would say to any father navigating something hard in their family right now.

In this episode:

• How Buddy's upbringing shaped his worldview — and how he began to challenge it

• The moment he found out about Jeff and what he did with it

• What it looks like to take yourself out of it and make it about them

• Why he still sends emails to his kids asking how he can be better

• What he would say to someone who is struggling and doesn't know where to turn

"It has to be about them. Not about you. As soon as you can take yourself out of it — that's when you can actually help." — Buddy Burks