You don't need more downloads. You need the right ones.

John Taylor, podcast marketer and founder of ACT3 Agency, joins the Founder Podcast Lab to explain why a business podcast that looks successful on the surface often isn't growing the business behind it, and why that's a strategy problem, not a podcast problem.

We get into reaching your ideal client instead of chasing vanity metrics, treating the show as one asset inside your funnel rather than the finish line, building a call-to-action that offers the next layer of value, and rotating that CTA so it never becomes closing-credits noise. John also breaks down LDO (Listener Discoverability Optimization), why AI can't hear your podcast and only reads the words you give it, and why the title and first line of a description carry about 90% of the decision to listen.

If your podcast feels like it's going nowhere, this episode shows you where to look first.

In this episode:

• Right downloads, not more downloads: reaching your ICP
• Your podcast lives inside the funnel, not above it
• The next layer of value: designing a CTA that converts
• Rotate the CTA every episode so it stays alive
• Teach AI who you are (the LDO approach)
• Why the title and first line decide almost everything

About the guest, John Taylor: Podcast marketer, founder of ACT3 Agency, and creator of the LDO framework. Website: https://act3agency.com/ PodAgain AI (launching soon): https://podagain.ai/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ACT3Agency

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This has been the Founder Podcast Lab. See you in the next episode.