• How Midday Squares Is Building a Billion Dollar Brand Through Community, Chaos & Conviction | Jake Karls
    May 28 2026
    In this final episode of Billion Dollar Moves for a bit, I sit down with Jake Karls, Co-Founder and Rainmaker of Midday Squares, for a candid conversation about building one of North America’s boldest founder-led consumer brands. Jake shares how he, his sister, and his brother-in-law went from making 50 bars a day in a Montreal condo kitchen to building an automated factory capable of producing more than 150,000 bars daily. We talk about why the co-founders committed to therapy from day one, how founder-led storytelling helped turn customers into a community, and why great marketing is not simply content—it is making people feel part of something. Jake also opens up about burnout, anxiety, his decision to step down as CMO, Midday Squares’ pivot beyond chocolate, and the work required to build a company that can eventually stand without its founders. For founders, funders, family businesses, and consumer investors, this is a conversation about trust, brand, resilience, and what it really takes to build for the long term. Watch the full conversation and subscribe for more discussions at the intersection of capital, leadership, and long-term value. 00:00 - Intro: Building something that can outlast you01:20 - Meet Jake Karls and Midday Squares02:15 - From a Montreal condo kitchen to 150,000 bars a day03:35 - Why build another snack brand?04:20 - Finding white space in a crowded market05:20 - Building a company with family06:00 - Why the co-founders committed to therapy07:15 - The two best investments they ever made08:00 - Communication as protection against founder conflict09:20 - Asking, “How are you really feeling?”10:00 - When the CEO stepped away for her mental health11:00 - Building structure without losing the soul12:05 - The product differentiation behind Midday Squares13:00 - The cocoa crisis that threatened the company14:00 - Betting on the no-bread PB&J pivot15:20 - The road from $40M to $100M16:00 - Why the founders work in three-year tours16:40 - Raising equity and government-backed debt17:15 - Scaling manufacturing without growing too fast19:00 - Building US retail distribution strategically20:00 - Why attention matters as much as product-market fit21:00 - Turning a snack company into a “band”22:00 - Why content is not marketing22:35 - How community helped Midday Squares break into Costco24:10 - Selling community, not just a product24:40 - Building a memorable founder persona26:00 - The roles each founder plays in the brand27:15 - Why Jake stepped down as CMO28:00 - Becoming the company’s Rainmaker29:00 - The risk of building a founder-led brand30:00 - Making the company less dependent on its founders30:30 - From anxiety and tears to trust in the team31:20 - Hiring people better than the founders32:30 - Building a brand that can stand on its own33:30 - Why overnight success often takes 10 to 20 years34:00 - Jake’s burnout and nervous breakdown35:40 - The warning signs he ignored36:20 - What recovery taught him about ambition36:45 - The Wall Street meeting that changed how he showed up38:15 - Authenticity, memorability, and having fun38:40 - Taste-testing the no-bread PB&J39:20 - Why the journey matters even if the outcome is uncertain39:55 - Final reflections from Billion Dollar Moves About Jake Karls Jake Karls is Co-Founder and Rainmaker of Midday Squares, a better-for-you snack company founded in Montreal alongside his sister, Lezlie Karls, and brother-in-law, Nick Saltarelli. The company began in a condo kitchen producing 50 bars a day and has since grown into a major North American consumer brand with a fully automated manufacturing facility, millions of customers, and ambitions to become a global afternoon snacking platform. Jake leads relationship-building, brand momentum, media, retail partnerships, and investor engagement. He is widely known for Midday Squares’ founder-led storytelling strategy and its unfiltered approach to documenting the realities of entrepreneurship. Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies—and the capital behind them—are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation—beyond headlines and hype. Built for those who take the long view. FOLLOW SARAH: Instagram: https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal
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    41 mins
  • She Built a Billion-Dollar Company—Then Learned When to Walk Away | Suneera Madhani
    May 21 2026
    In this episode of Billion Dollar Moves, I sit down with Suneera Madhani, founder of Stax and Worth, for a candid conversation about building, scaling, exiting, and knowing when it is time to begin again. Suneera shares how a rejected idea became a billion-dollar payments company, why focus and customer obsession mattered more than any single formula, and what she learned from raising capital as a young Pakistani-American woman building outside Silicon Valley. We also talk about liquidity, private equity, rolling too much equity into a deal, losing control after a majority recap, and the difficult truth that a company can stop feeling like yours long before you officially leave. For founders, funders, and family offices, this is a conversation about conviction, ownership, wealth, and the discipline to know when to hold on—and when to let go. Watch the full conversation and subscribe for more discussions at the intersection of capital, leadership, and long-term wealth. 00:00 - Intro: Building, letting go, and a new chapter02:35 - Growing up in an immigrant entrepreneurial family04:40 - The confidence her father gave her07:25 - Risk, family expectations, and becoming a reluctant entrepreneur09:30 - The rejected idea that became Stax11:30 - Reinventing payments through a subscription model14:00 - Being laughed out of the room15:15 - Quitting her job and starting Fattmerchant16:20 - From $5M to $5B in payments17:00 - Building a memorable brand18:10 - From Fattmerchant to Stax21:10 - Scaling from $100M potential to a billion-dollar company22:00 - Why everything breaks as a company grows24:30 - Focus, customer obsession, and a winning culture26:15 - Raising capital as a minority woman founder27:30 - Scrappiness, rejection, and the first investor yes30:00 - Why she chose to build in Orlando31:35 - Preparing for an exit34:00 - Revenue growth and the majority recap35:30 - Selling at the height of the market36:00 - What founders get wrong about diligence38:15 - Creating a competitive private equity process39:00 - Choosing the right buyer40:30 - The deal terms she would rethink41:30 - Why she wishes she had taken more cash43:20 - The reality behind her exit44:00 - When the company stops feeling like yours46:00 - Why founders should sometimes sell and walk away47:10 - Building again after exit49:00 - Why Worth became the next fintech50:00 - Solving business credit and underwriting54:00 - Why onboarding is a revenue problem55:00 - Eliminating bias with better business data58:30 - The vision for the Worth wallet59:45 - Reaching $10M ARR in 18 months01:00:30 - Raising capital differently the second time01:01:00 - Rapid fire01:02:00 - Know your worth and take chips off the table01:02:35 - Why funding women is a billion-dollar move01:03:00 - CEO School and building the next generation of women-led companies About Suneera Madhani Suneera Madhani is a fintech entrepreneur, investor, and founder of Stax, a payments platform that reached unicorn status after processing tens of billions of dollars in transactions. After exiting Stax, she co-founded Worth, a financial technology company focused on modernizing business underwriting, onboarding, and credit intelligence. She is also the founder and host of CEO School, a platform and community supporting women entrepreneurs as they build, scale, and create wealth. Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies—and the capital behind them—are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation—beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly.Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO:Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.comWatch on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobalJoin the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondol... FOLLOW SARAH:Instagram: @sarahchenglobalLinkedIn: @sarahchenglobal
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  • From Preserving Wealth to Investing Globally | Erika Aquino on Billion Dollar Moves
    May 14 2026
    Erika Aquino is a next-generation family office allocator and angel investor building on a Filipino family business legacy. In this episode of Billion Dollar Moves, Erika shares how her family moved beyond wealth preservation to deploy capital with purpose across wellness, education, sustainability, and the future of work. We discuss how she allocates to venture, why she prefers pre-seed and seed-stage companies, what she looks for in founders, and why proximity to the problem matters. Erika also speaks candidly about mental health, personal resilience, fiduciary responsibility, and the lessons she carries from supporting more than 25 early-stage companies around the world. 00:00 Introduction 01:00 Erika Aquino’s Family Legacy 03:00 Success as a Community Measure 04:10 From Wealth Preservation to Purpose 07:20 Allocating 25% to Venture 08:45 Building a Global Investment Mandate 09:35 Direct Investments vs. Funds 11:00 Why Erika Invests at Pre-Seed and Seed 11:35 Backing Scrappy Founders 13:00 Expanding Access to Angel Investing 14:00 Investing in Solutions Close to Home 15:15 What Erika Looks for in Founders 16:20 Building a Global Founder Ecosystem 17:30 Investing Across Different Markets 19:00 Fiduciary Duty and Venture Debt 20:20 Erika’s Mental Health Journey 23:10 How Personal Experience Shapes Her Investing 24:40 Supporting Underdog Founders 26:20 Advice for New Family Office Investors 28:20 The Role of Angel Investors 29:40 The Rise of the Modern Matriarch 31:00 Lessons on Money, Ambition, and Vulnerability 32:00 Own Your Confidence, Purpose, and NumbersAbout Erika Aquinohttps://www.erika-aquino.com/ -- Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly. Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.com Watch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobal Join the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondol... FOLLOW SARAH: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal
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    33 mins
  • Building Cultural Capital & Leadership Lessons from Jeff Bezos | Latasha Gillespie on Billion Dollar Moves
    May 7 2026
    Latasha Gillespie, former global executive at Amazon, shares how culture, customers, and risk were evaluated inside one of the world’s most powerful companies. We discuss Amazon’s six-page decision process, what Latasha learned from Jeff Bezos, why diversity is a growth strategy, and how greenlight decisions determine which stories, audiences, and ideas are able to scale. For founders, investors, and leaders, this is a conversation about reducing blind spots, protecting brand trust, and building for the customers of tomorrow. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 01:35 From Caterpillar to Amazon 03:35 The Career Lesson That Changed Everything 06:15 Diversity as a Growth Strategy 10:10 Tying Leadership Incentives to Outcomes 13:00 Knowing When It Was Time to Leave 15:10 Building Amazon’s Global Strategy 17:00 Presenting a Six-Page Memo to Jeff Bezos 19:00 Why Jeff Bezos Spoke Last 20:40 Building for Tomorrow’s Customers 22:20 Moving Into Amazon Studios 24:20 Where Power Sits in the Greenlight Process 29:00 Turning Values Into Systems 30:20 The Three Greenlight Questions 33:00 Identifying Reputational Risk 35:00 Media’s Role in Shaping Culture 37:00 Building Better Decision Frameworks 41:00 Leadership Lessons and Closing Advice -- About Latasha Gillespie As Founder and CEO of Logos Media Group Holdings LLC, Latasha Gillespie leads a purpose-driven media holding company dedicated to creating impactful brands, platforms, and experiences at the intersection of faith, culture, and commerce. Through thoughtful storytelling, meaningful engagement, and strategic partnerships, the company aims to elevate culture while fostering connection and leadership across both digital and physical spaces. With more than a decade of leadership experience in diversity, equity, and inclusion, along with expertise in business analysis, financial analysis, and project management, Latasha has contributed to global organizations including Amazon and Caterpillar. Her commitment to transformational leadership also extends to her service as an Executive Board Member of the Getty House Foundation, where she supports initiatives designed to create meaningful community impact. -- Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly. Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.com Watch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobal Join the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondol... FOLLOW SARAH: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal
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    43 mins
  • Picking Battles in the $5 Trillion Healthcare Market: with David Berry, the Elon Musk of Biotech
    Apr 30 2026
    In this episode of Billion Dollar Moves, I sit down with David Berry, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Averin Capital, for a conversation about building billion-dollar breakthroughs in healthcare. David has founded more than 30 companies, including seven valued over $1B, and has helped shape companies across biotech, AI drug discovery, microbiome therapeutics, agriculture, and health infrastructure. From losing a childhood friend to brain cancer, to asking why the hardest problems are worth pursuing, David shares how mission, science, and capital come together to create venture-scale healthcare companies. For founders, funders, and family offices investing in the future of health, this is a conversation about conviction, ethics, and building for impact at scale. Watch the full conversation and subscribe for more discussions at the intersection of capital, governance, and long-term wealth. 00:00 - Intro: Why go after the biggest problems? 01:12 - Truth vs. belief in science 03:00 - The myth that humans only use 10% of their brains 04:28 - Rethinking cancer and inherited assumptions 05:38 - How big ideas emerge from questioning “truth” 06:30 - Entrepreneur vs. investor: The N of one 08:10 - Building Seres Therapeutics and the microbiome frontier 11:00 - Turning strange science into a venture-scale company 12:20 - Why drug development does not always have to take 10–15 years 14:10 - Valo Health and AI-powered drug discovery 17:15 - Product-investor fit in biotech 20:30 - Why companies fail: Teams, resilience, and near-death moments 22:15 - Averin Capital and the transformation of health through technology 23:20 - BioLink and the future of continuous health monitoring 26:00 - Ozempic, access, and ethics in healthcare 31:10 - Women’s health, clinical trials, and bias in medical data 35:00 - David’s vision for Averin Capital 39:00 - How family offices should think about investing in health 40:00 - The next billion-dollar moves in healthcare 40:35 - Rapid fire About David Berry David is Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Averin. As an innovator and a company builder, he has been driven by the power of technology to transform industries. David has been a founder of over 30 companies, including 7 that have been valued at over $1B. David was previously a General Partner at Flagship Pioneering. He was also founder and CEO of Valo Health, where he raised over $500M and executed a transformative partnership with Novo Nordisk. David received his M.D. from Harvard Medical School and his Ph.D. from MIT through the biological engineering division, where he worked with Professors Robert Langer and Ram Sasisekharan. David works closely with Biolinq amongst other Averin companies. --- Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly. Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.com Watch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobal Join the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondollarmoves FOLLOW SARAH: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal https://x.com/sarahchenglobal
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    47 mins
  • $22M Exit & Buyback | Jaclyn Johnson, Founder, Create & Cultivate & Co-Founder, Cherub
    Apr 23 2026
    Jaclyn Johnson built Create & Cultivate into one of the most recognized platforms for women in business—scaling it to eight-figure revenue before exiting in a multi-million dollar deal. But what happens after the exit is where the real story begins. From navigating private equity, burnout, and the loss of control over the company she built… to making one of the rarest moves in business—buying it back. In this episode, we unpack: * Why selling isn’t always the win * What private equity gets wrong in community-driven businesses * The trade-offs between bootstrapping and raising capital * How to think about ownership, control, and long-term value This is a conversation about capital, consequence—and coming back with clarity. About Jaclyn Johnson With $25 million in successful exits to her name, Jaclyn has mastered the art of bootstrapping businesses, building thriving communities, and driving meaningful results. Recognized as one of Adweek's Disruptors, Forbes 30 under 30 and a WSJ Woman of note, she stands out as one of the industry's leading marketing minds. Her unwavering focus on value creation and community-first marketing has been imitated countless times, yet never truly matched. -- Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly. Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.com Watch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobal Join the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondollarmoves FOLLOW SARAH: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal
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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • From Losing $1M a Month to a $1B Exit — Jim Sorenson on Building Impact That Pays
    Apr 16 2026
    In this rare conversation, Jim Sorenson breaks down what happens after liquidity—when building a company turns into building systems of capital. We start with the moment everything nearly fell apart: losing $1M a month during the dot-com crash, and the unexpected pivot that transformed Sorenson Communications into a near $1B exit—by aligning technology with regulation and real, underserved demand. From there, Jim unpacks how that experience reshaped his approach to investing. From deploying early, risk-tolerant capital through Program-Related Investments (PRIs)… to ultimately rethinking an entire foundation—aligning 100% of its assets toward both financial returns and long-term impact. This isn’t a conversation about philanthropy. It’s about how sophisticated capital actually works—where risk is priced, how systems scale, and why impact and alpha aren’t opposites. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Intro 01:30 – Sorenson Communications 05:30 – Pivoting Under Pressure 09:20 – An Overlooked Community 14:50 – Scale & Capital Design 21:30 – The Mechanics of PRI 27:05 – The 95% Transition 38:40 – ESG & Fiduciary Duty 45:30 – Stewardship After Liquidity About Jim SorensonJames Lee Sorenson (Jim) serves as chairman of the Sorenson Impact Foundation, which funds sustainable, scalable endeavors that maximize positive impact on the lives and societies they touch. Sorenson endowed the Sorenson Impact Center at the University of Utah. Sorenson is also Chairman of the Board of Village Capital and a member of the National Advisory Board of Impact Investing. Sorenson was instrumental in developing several new industry categories, including digital compression software that helped usher in the online video revolution at Sorenson Media, where he serves as Chairman of the Board and video relay services which transformed opportunities for deaf and hard of hearing individuals through Sorenson Communications. Jim has served on many community boards, including Utah's David Eccles School of Business, University Venture Fund, Art Works for Kids, Gallaudet University, and the Utah Sports Commission.--Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders.Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built.Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype.New episodes weekly.Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO:Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.comWatch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobalJoin the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondollarmoves FOLLOW SARAH:https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobalhttps://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal
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    58 mins
  • After The Exit | Ariana Pareja on Building, Selling and Starting Again
    Apr 9 2026
    In this episode of Billion Dollar Moves, Sarah sits down with Ariana Pareja for a conversation about exit timing, liquidity, and the difference between valuation and real wealth. Ariana speaks candidly about building and exiting Remine, why she believes “an exit isn’t real until it’s liquid,” and the lesson she learned the hard way: selling before Series B might have created more wealth with less dilution and less exhaustion. We unpack what founders often miss such as the hidden cost of growth capital taken at the wrong moment, how some investors price rounds you’re not meant to hit and why the movie doesn’t end until it ends She also shifts forward into how markets are actually evolving. TikTok as infrastructure, not just culture. Community as the new distribution moat. Bootstrapping as strategic leverage rather than constraint. For those seeking liquidity without delusion, operators transitioning into allocators, and family offices listening for judgment rather than inspiration, this isn’t an episode you’ll want to miss. Watch the full conversation and subscribe for even more discussions at the intersection of capital, governance, and long-term wealth. 00:00 - Intro 02:44 - Maintaining relationships while building a business 03:20 - Advice to my younger self: Buy and hold real estate 03:52 - The golden rule of investing: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is 08:29 - Learning the power of a "pitch deck" as a teenager 11:32 - Getting started in real estate at 18 years old 13:50 - The origin of Remind: Solving the public record data problem 17:33 - Raising $48 million in venture capital through word of mouth 19:01 - Pivoting the revenue model and identifying the right customer avatar 22:54 - Biggest regrets and lessons learned from the series of exits 25:28 - The "200 Million" goal: Why I'm still working About Ariana Pareja Ariana Pareja is an investor and serial entrepreneur dedicated to helping others build wealth and embrace reinvention. As the exited co-founder of Remine, a real estate technology company that sold for $55 million, she has firsthand experience scaling ventures from startup to acquisition. Ariana today is the co-founder of Mighty Minis, a spin-off of the No Sugar Company. Ariana has mentored more than 100 small businesses through programs including Microsoft AI Latam Accelerator and Target Forward Founders. -- Billion Dollar Moves Podcast | The Top Global Venture & Business Podcast for Founders & Funders | Backed by HubSpot Podcast Network Conversations with billionaires, unicorn founders, and the world’s leading funders. Hosted by Sarah Chen-Spellings, Billion Dollar Moves examines how enduring companies — and the capital behind them — are built. Through long-form conversations, the show explores decision-making under uncertainty, capital allocation, and the inflection points that shape category-defining businesses. From early platform backstories to allocator frameworks used across private markets, the focus is on judgment, incentives, and long-term value creation — beyond headlines and hype. New episodes weekly. Built for those who take the long view. PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://billiondollarmoves.com Watch on Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/sarahchenglobal Join the community: https://sarah-chen.ck.page/billiondollarmoves FOLLOW SARAH: https://linkedin.com/in/sarahchenglobal https://instagram.com/sarahchenglobal https://x.com/sarahchenglobal
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    40 mins