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Discourse Lab

Discourse Lab

By: Clayton Smith and Anthony Rispo
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Co-hosts Anthony Rispo and Clayton Smith, along with their ideologically diverse suite of guests, use conversation to test ideas, analyze arguments, and question dogmas.Clayton Smith and Anthony Rispo Politics & Government
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  • Gay Identity, Ideology, & Connection w/ Michael Pezzullo
    Mar 31 2026

    In this episode, Anthony is joined by Michael Pezzullo. Michael is a licensed psychotherapist specializing in gay men’s mental health. His YouTube channel Therapy for Gay Men has over 18k subscribers and counting.

    In this wide-ranging conversation, Anthony and Michael explore body image and self-worth in gay spaces, whether "the scene" actually exists or is mostly a projection, and what really drives the fracture within the LGBTQ+ umbrella. They discuss conversion therapy, social contagion, false consciousness, and much more!

    The boys also pull apart some of the most pressing, and avoided, questions facing gay men today. Why do so many gay men give up on love? Should you wait until you're "ready" to date? What actually makes a relationship work?

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    1 hr and 23 mins
  • Dissecting the War in Iran
    Mar 24 2026

    Is Iran really trying to build a nuclear bomb? Why is the strait of Hormuz so important? What are some realistic best-case scenarios for this conflict?


    In this episode Clay is joined by returning guest Alex DeVitry. to try and make sense of these questions and more.


    Alex is a student at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA), where he is studying international conflict resolution, foreign policy and diplomacy, and the Middle East. He also writes a Substack that is well worth reading.


    If you want to know more about Alex's truly fascinating backstory, check out his first appearance on Discourse Lab.


    Mentioned in this episode:

    • OSINT Defender
    • The End of The World is Just the Beginning - Peter Zeihan
    • “Why is Iran producing 60 percent-enriched uranium?” (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute)
    • “This Isn’t Israel’s War. It’s America’s” - Haviv Rettig Our
    • “This is How The War Goes Bad” - Niall Ferguson


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    1 hr and 56 mins
  • Fighting Climate Doomerism w/ Lucy Biggers
    Mar 10 2026

    In this episode, the boys are joined by Lucy Biggers. Lucy is a journalist and content creator currently serving as the Head of Social Media for The Free Press. In her mid-20s, Lucy was an influential climate activist whose work for outlets like “NowThis” helped popularize apocalyptic narratives about global warming and bring the Standing Rock protests to national attention.


    During COVID, Lucy began to seriously doubt the validity of the cause she was fighting for. She put her activism on hold and reassessed many of the things she believed about climate change. Last May, Lucy started posting again—only this time it was to debunk many of the claims she had once fervently communicated to the world.


    Listen to this episode if you want to learn why Lucy isn’t even remotely concerned about CO₂ emissions, find out what Greta Thunberg is like in person, hear Lucy’s impression of a plant stoma, and much more!

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    Mentioned in this episode:

    • Apocalypse Never - Michael Shellenberger
    • Unsettled - Steven E. Koonin
    • The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels - Alex Epstein
    • Fossil Future - Alex Epstein
    • Factfullness - Hans Rosling
    • The Long Summer - Brian Fagan

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    Our Book Recommendations

    • The War on Words: 10 Arguments Against Free Speech – And Why They Fail - Nadine Strossen and Greg Lukianoff
      • A short, easy read that will arm you with the rhetorical weapons you need to fight against censorship.
    • Psychobabble: Viral Mental Health Myths & the Truths to Set You Free - Joe Nucci
      • A fascinating look at all the mental health BS you see on your social media feeds. Joe does a great job of setting the record straight.
    • Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class - Rob Henderson
      • A beautiful, insightful, and heartbreaking memoir that highlights why a stable, loving family is something that every child deserves.
    • Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World - Tom Holland
      • A phenomenal and eye opening account of how Christian philosophy shaped western culture and thinking.
    • Meditations - Marcu Aurelius
      • History's greatest self help book. Penned by one of Rome's greatest emperors. A must read for anyone interested in Stoicism.
    • The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization - Peter Zeihan
      • The best explanation of the post-war American lead global order, and how it's falling apart.


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    1 hr and 14 mins
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