Most AI projects fail not because the technology fails, but because humans never fully integrate it into their way of working.

Amy unpacks what successful AI implementation really looks like, not from the tech side, but from the human side. From boardroom tensions to culture change, career disruption to lifelong learning, this is the conversation most AI podcasts aren't having.

THIS WEEK: A GUEST EPISODE

Our guest is Amy Shi-Nash, Professor of AI Practice at Monash University and Co-founder & CEO of Occupy. Amy brings more than two decades of hands-on implementation experience across global commercial organisations and academia — building AI that actually changes behaviour, not just processes. She is one of a rare group of practitioners who hasseen both sides: what makes AI succeed at scale, and why the human side is the part most leaders get wrong.

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⏰ EPISODE TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 — Cold open: "AI changes the shape of work, this is bigger than they say"

01:40 — Why 85–95% of AI projects fail to deliver value

05:00 — Meet Amy Shi-Nash: 25 years making AI work in large organisations

06:10 — What good AI implementation actually looks like (from the human side)

08:40 — The junction between humans and AI: why it determines everything

11:00 — From faster to different: culture change as the real measure of success

13:30 — Real-world examples: users building agents, evolving the system themselves

14:25 — Boardroom tensions: innovators, sceptics, literacy gaps, and time horizons

17:30 — Are we ready? The readiness question every board avoids

19:50 — Consequences: intended, unintended, and unevenly distributed

23:00 — The literacy imperative: AI education across every role and level

25:55 — Job composition change: what AI does and what humans must do

27:45 — Distribution of value: how AI reshapes the organisation's shape

29:00 — Flatter structures, specialist roles, fractional work, and the rise of the entrepreneur

32:00 — Debrief: culture, career paths, and the age of the specialised side hustle

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