• Episode 131: Aubrey Gowing - What Exactly Is Chronic Pain and Where Does Manual Therapy Fit?
    May 5 2026
    In this episode, we’re joined by Aubrey Gowing to unpack one of the most challenging areas in clinical practice: chronic pain.Aubrey brings over 40 years of experience in massage education and clinical work to the conversation, sharing a clear and practical framework for understanding why chronic pain develops and what therapists can actually do about it.We explore the difference between acute and chronic pain, why some conditions seem to come and go, and the common traps therapists fall into when treating persistent issues. Aubrey challenges the idea that pain is always located at the site of the problem, and outlines a more effective approach based on identifying patterns of dysfunction and treating the body as a system.The conversation moves from theory into application, including:Why treating the site of pain often leads to short-term results,The role of antagonistic muscles in chronic conditions,How tissue changes, nervous system sensitisation, and joint dysfunction interact,Practical principles to improve treatment outcomes immediately,How to balance intensity and effectiveness without causing pain,We also touch on communication, clinical reasoning, and the importance of building trust to improve outcomes.Aubrey references key resources during the episode, including:The Essential 8 Stretches → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0IZeiRZyAStrolling Under the Skin (Dr Jean-Claude Guimberteau) → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW0lvOVKDxE&t=592sIf you’re working with clients who have “tried everything” and still aren’t improving, this episode will give you a clearer way to think about chronic pain and a more structured approach to treating it.Upcoming TrainingAubrey will be presenting at the Massage & Myotherapy Australia 2026 National Conference in Geelong, as well as delivering a three-part masterclass series across Melbourne, Brisbane, and Hobart in June.https://www.massagemyotherapy.com.au/Professionalism-and-Excellence/2026-National-Conferencehttps://www.massagemyotherapy.com.au/Education/Find-CPE-EventsSupport the PodcastIf you enjoyed this episode, follow the podcast and consider buying us a coffee via the link in the show notes.👉 Got thoughts on this topic? Let us know on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👉 Support the podcast: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com/foldingtowelspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]👉 More episodes & resources: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠foldingtowelspodcast.com.au⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Theme Music: Simon Pettersson "All Alone" (2020), Licensed use through Audio Hero Inc
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  • Episode 130: How to Build a Practice Your Community Won’t Let Fail
    Apr 21 2026

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    When money gets tight, people don’t necessarily stop spending. They just become more thoughtful about where it goes.

    In this episode, Jackie and David chat about what it means to build a massage practice that people come back to, talk about, and choose to keep… even when things feel uncertain.

    We explore trust, consistency, being part of your local community, and the small things that help clients feel seen and valued over time.

    This is a conversation about playing the long game and building a practice with the foundations to handle change, not just good seasons.

    If you’ve noticed a shift in bookings, or you’re thinking about how to create something more steady and sustainable, this one’s for you.

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  • Episode 129: Stuart Hinds: Why Good Therapists Burn Out (And How to Stay in the Industry) [Revisited]
    Apr 8 2026

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    We’re revisiting a conversation with Stuart Hinds, a soft tissue therapist with over 30 years’ clinical experience, including work across four Olympic Games and a Commonwealth Games.

    This is a practical conversation about staying in the profession.

    Stuart draws on his experience in clinic and education to unpack what wears therapists down over time. Physical load. Mental fatigue. And the tendency to keep pushing in order to look after clients, often at the expense of our own health often at the expense of our own health, without realising it.We challenge some of the common benchmarks in the industry. Being fully booked. Long days. High client numbers. These are often treated as markers of success, but they can quietly drive injury and burnout if they’re not managed well.

    There’s discussion around technique, workload, and how to structure your work so it remains sustainable over the long term.

    This episode is for you if you’re questioning how to build a steady, sustainable career over the long term.


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    Talking Tissue Episode – Interview with Jeff Shearer

    Research by Karen Lucas on Muscle Activation Patterns

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  • Episode 128: The Clients You Should Fire
    Mar 31 2026

    Have you ever felt relieved when a client leaves?

    In this episode, David and Jackie tackle a topic many therapists avoid: when it’s time to let a client go.

    We unpack the behavioural red flags, the hidden cost of “just this once,” and how misaligned clients quietly drain your time, energy, and standards of care.

    This is a practical, honest conversation about boundaries, professionalism, and running a sustainable practice.

    You’ll learn how to recognise when a client is no longer a good fit, how to handle it with clarity and respect, and why decisive leadership matters more than people-pleasing.

    If you’ve ever questioned a client relationship, this episode will give you language and permission to act.


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  • Episode 127: Simple Systems for Sole Traders with Oliver Garside (Rounded)
    Mar 24 2026

    Running a massage business isn’t just about what happens on the table. It’s everything behind the scenes that can trip you up.

    In this episode, we sit down with Oliver Garside, co-founder of Rounded, to talk about the real challenges sole traders face when it comes to finances, admin and tax. From messy spreadsheets and confusing software to cash flow surprises and BAS stress, Oliver shares practical ways to simplify your systems and stay in control.

    We cover common mistakes, simple habits that make a difference, and how the right tools can free up your time so you can focus on your clients, not your bookkeeping.

    Rounded is an Australian accounting and invoicing platform designed specifically for sole traders to manage income, expenses, and tax with simple, easy-to-use tools.

    Try Rounded for FREE for 30 days (Australian users only): https://app.rounded.com.au/partner_signup/aOYiEz

    New Australian users can access a free 30-day Rounded trial with no credit card required. After that, you can subscribe or delete your account and download your data at any time at no cost.

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  • Episode 126: Coby du Preez on Purpose, Practice and Professional Growth
    Mar 17 2026

    In this episode, David and Jackie are joined by Coby du Preez, remedial massage therapist, clinic owner of Muscle Medicine Double Bay, and Independent Director on the board of the Australian Traditional Medicine Society.

    Coby shares his journey into massage therapy, beginning not in healthcare, but in the fast-paced world of professional kitchens. What followed was a shift toward work that felt more meaningful, grounded in human connection and the impact of touch.

    The conversation explores how his thinking has evolved over more than twenty years in practice. From early, technique-driven treatment focused on tight muscles and symptoms, to a broader understanding of fascia, breathing, load, and the nervous system.

    Coby shares of his transition from sole practitioner to clinic owner, the realities of leading and mentoring other therapists, and the importance of building confident, ethical professionals who can work collaboratively within the wider healthcare system.

    Coby is passionate about advocating for the industry through professional bodies like ATMS and the need to position massage and myotherapy as a respected and viable first career choice for school leavers.

    Connect with Coby: https://musclemedicine.com.au/

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  • Episode 125: Touch Is Older Than Medicine: A Short History of Massage
    Mar 10 2026

    Massage may feel like a modern wellness practice, but therapeutic touch has existed for thousands of years. In this episode, David and Jackie explore the history of bodywork across cultures - from ancient Egyptian carvings and Chinese medical texts to Ayurvedic oil massage, Roman bathhouses, and early European healing traditions.

    They discuss how massage became systemised through Swedish gymnastics, how it shaped rehabilitation during wartime and the polio era, and how pioneers like Janet Travell helped shift understanding of pain. Along the way, they reflect on why oils, salves, and hands-on care appear in nearly every healing tradition.

    From ancient rituals to modern hospitals, this episode explores how massage has persisted across time - and why healthcare is once again recognising the importance of human touch.


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  • Episode 124: (Revisiting) Non Attendance and What To DO About It (Yes You Can Charge a Fee)
    Feb 24 2026

    No-shows still hurt.

    Late cancellations still cost you time, money, and energy.

    This week, David revisits one of the most practical episodes we’ve recorded – originally released in October 2023 – on non-attendance, cancellation policies, and charging fees.

    If you’re unsure whether you can enforce a fee… you can.
    If you’re worried what clients might think… clarity matters more than approval.
    If you don’t have a written policy yet… it’s time.

    In this episode we cover:

    • Why a booking is a contractual commitment

    • What Australian Consumer Law says about “frustrated contracts”

    • The difference between having a policy and having a procedure

    • Prevention strategies that reduce no-shows before they happen

    • How to enforce fees consistently and professionally

    • When compassion is appropriate – and when to draw a line

    Professional boundaries are not harsh. They are clear.

    If your cancellation policy has drifted, softened, or never existed… this is your reset.


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