For decades, Monte Verde in southern Chile has been one of the most famous archaeological sites in the Americas. The site was widely accepted as 14,500 years old, making it one of the strongest pieces of evidence for human presence in the Americas before Clovis.

But what if that interpretation was wrong?

In this special episode, I sit down with Dr. Todd Surovell, professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming, to discuss new research that re-examines Monte Verde using modern geoarchaeological methods. The results suggest that the famous site may actually be much younger than previously believed, dating to the Holocene rather than the Ice Age.

If true, this would mean that Monte Verde is not evidence for pre-Clovis humans in South America, and it could force archaeologists to reconsider one of the most influential discoveries in American archaeology.

We discuss:

• The history of the Monte Verde discovery
• Why it reshaped textbooks in the 1990s
• How new geological and dating analyses challenge the original interpretation
• What this means for Clovis-first vs. pre-Clovis models
• Why independent verification and skepticism are essential in science
• This episode explores how science evolves—and how even the most famous discoveries can be re-examined.

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On this month’s episode, Jessica checks back in with Aaron Brien (Apsáalooke), who you may remember from Episode 23 on Salish-Kootenai College’s Tribal Historic Preservation Program, Episode 25 on Technology, and episode 41 on Collecting Oral Histories in Indian Country. In the more than 5 years since our last recording, Aaron has moved from being Tribal Historic Preservation Program faculty at Salish-Kootenai College to being the Crow Tribal Historic Preservation Officer. We talk about how that transition happened, the process of reinventing the Crow THPO program, and how the SKC program prepared him for being a THPO. On that note, the podcast Aaron and Dr. Shandin Pete started right before we recorded episode 41 is now called the Tribal Research Specialist podcast and is still going strong! Finally, the third segment focuses on the work the Crow THPO is doing and ongoing challenges as a THPO. We close out by discussing how the second Trump administration affects the work of a THPO and what we should all be doing to support THPOs and the resources they fight for.

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• Collecting Oral Histories in Indian Country - Ep 41 - Heritage Voices
• Sustaining Stewardship
• Tribal Historic Preservation Department - Salish Kootenai College

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After more than 4 years since they recorded Episode 60 (Historical Archaeology for the Future) together, Jessica checks back in with Dr. Ayana Omilade Flewellen (they/she; Assistant Professor in the Department of Anthropology at Stanford University and Co-Founder of the Society of Black Archaeologists). The two discuss Dr. Flewellen’s move to Stanford, how Dr. Flewellen’s research focus was entirely flipped on its head, and how they came back from that in a creative way. We also discuss the importance of standardizing excavation for future use as legacy collections. Finally, we discussed the oral history work that they are doing with Diving with a Purpose and even as a cultural anthropologist their methodology was one I had never heard of before!

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• Ayana Omilade Flewellen
• Ayana Omilade Flewellen | Department of Anthropology
• Society of Black Archaeologists: The Future of Archaeology Starts Here
• www.divingwithapurpose.org
• An Aural Ethnography of Black Breath: Soundscapes at Submerged Heritage Sites of Enslavement Open Access Ayana Omilade Flewellen liquid blackness (2025) 9 (1): 106–117
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• Watch: "Archaeology in the Time of Black Lives Matter"
• “The Future of Archaeology Is Antiracist”: Archaeology in the Time of Black Lives Matter | American Antiquity | Cambridge Core
• ‘Lessons from the water’ on healing, history and finding freedom from fear | CNN
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This Heritage Voices episode features Dr. Maria Franklin (University of Texas at Austin), Dr. Alex Menaker (Stantec, Inc.), and Doug Boyd (Stantec, Inc.) and is part one of a two part series on the Bolivar Archaeological Project, a collaborative community archaeology project sponsored by the Texas Department of Transportation. In this episode they provide context for the Bolivar Archaeological Project including the Ransom and Sarah Williams Farmstead project that paved the way for this study. Next, they broke down the different components of the project: Historic research, archaeology, oral history, and community engagement. They described how the different disciplines informed each other and how the lineal descendants and descendant community heavily influenced and contributed to the project throughout. Finally, this episode closes out with a discussion of the archaeology findings, as well as the archaeology of blacksmithing in general. Stay tuned for episode 100 with Mr. Tom Cook’s lineal descendants (who have provided invaluable service to their community in their own right as well), Ms. Betty Kimble and Mr. Howard Clark.

• Excellent video about the Bolivar Archaeological Project
• Texas Department of Transportation Webpage about the Bolivar Archaeological Project
• Easy to read article about Mr. Tom Cook’s Legacy
• At the Intersections of History: Collaborative, Public Archaeology of the Nineteenth-Century Tom Cook Blacksmith Shop along the Chisholm Trail in Bolivar, Texas (Article in Advances in Archaeological Practice)
• Presentation to the North Texas Archaeological Society about the Chisolm Trail and Bolivar Archaeological Project
• Ms. Betty Kimble’s story in Desegregating Denton
• Article about Mr. Howard Clark’s 30 years with the Lewisville Police Department
• Ransom and Sarah Williams Farmstead online exhibit on Texas Beyond History
• The Denton County Office of History and Culture
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For this episode of Heritage Voices, Jessica Yaquinto speaks with Charlotta Hillerdal (University of Aberdeen), Jaqueline Nalikutaar Cleveland (Native Village of Kwinhagak), Lonny Alaskuk Strunk (Native Village of Kwinhagak), and Alice Watterson (University of Iceland). The team explains how climate change was causing artifacts to erode out on the shoreline, so the Native Village of Quinhagak (Kwinhagak) requested an archaeological excavation so that their heritage would be documented. They describe how what would happen to those artifacts and how to educate the community and larger public about their heritage remained a constant concern and area of discussion. The team described the process of creating this public education resource and how they conveyed the sense of place and focused on incorporating the language into the digital exhibit.

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• Nunalleq Digital Museum: multi-vocal narration of a Yup'ik past
• Nunalleq Digital Museum
• Nunalleq: Archaeological Excavation and Conservation Lab
• Nunalleq 2024
• Rick receives Friends of First Alaskans Ted Stevens Award
• Nunalleq Education Resource
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• How Did You Live? Writing A Song for Nunalleq
• Climate & Nunalleq
• Ellavut Cimirtuq (Our World Is Changing) – TrimTab Media

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This Heritage Voices episode features a few members of a session from the 2024 Theoretical Archaeology Group meeting in Santa Fe. Today’s guests included Dr. Lindsay Montgomery (Associate Professor of Anthropology and Indigenous Studies at the University of Toronto St. George campus), Dr. Kalani Heinz (Assistant Professor of American Indian Studies at California State University Northridge), and Dusti Bridges (Ph.D. Student in Anthropology at Cornell University). We talked about some of the ways their session and the TAG Santa Fe meeting took some different approaches than other conferences and sessions. The three of them then broke down the concept of Indigenous Futurities for Jessica and showed how this concept shows up in different ways across the work that the three of them do. For those of you who are educators, discussions of working with students are also woven throughout this conversation.

• Heritage Voices on the APN
• North American Theoretical Archaeology Group (TAG) Previous Meetings website
• Dr. Laura Harjo's Spiral to the Stars book
• PIEAM Museum in Long Beach, CA
• Hayden Haynes’ (Dusti Bridge’s Colleague) Carvings Website
• Story maps of Alternative Histories of American History (created by Dr. Kalani's Students)
• Dusti Bridges' Cornell Academic Page
• California State University Northridge American Indian Studies Faculty Page with Dr. Kalani Heinz Bio
• Dr. Lindsay Montgomery's Professional Website
• ‘We’re in the Midst of an Authoritarian Takeover’
• Archaeology, Heritage, and Reactionary Populism (Cultural Heritage Studies) (Volume edited by Randall McGuire and Alfredo González-Ruibal, with contributions from Dr. Lindsay Montgomery)

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