What kind of leadership do we need right now?

In this episode of How We Future, Lisa sits down with cognitive scientist and host of The Psychology Podcast Scott Barry Kaufman and longtime technology strategist Chris Shipley to explore what it means to lead with humanity in a world shaped by AI, uncertainty, and nonstop change. The conversation centers on their upcoming book, Leading for Tomorrow, and the question of how we use our most powerful technologies to become more human, not less.

Drawing from psychology, history, and decades at the frontier of technological change, Scott and Chris reflect on agency, bravery, and why leadership today is less about control and more about creating the conditions for people to thrive.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why continuous disruption demands a fundamentally different model of leadership
• How AI can amplify creativity and self-understanding when used with intention
• What it looks like to shift from efficiency and performance toward learning and becoming
• Why optimism, humility, and agency are leadership skills we can all practice

Let’s try to rethink leadership as a shared, human endeavor where technology supports our best qualities instead of crowding them out, and where the future is something we actively shape together.

Links from the episode:

• Pre-order Leading for Tomorrow: Unlocking Human Potential in the Era of Continuous Change and Endless Possibility
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• Scott Barry Kaufman’s website
• Chris Shipley’s website
• The Psychology Podcast
• Scott’s theory on Maslow’s sailboat
• Scott’s course with Oprah on gratitude

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