On this episode of If You Can Hear Me, Ben sits down with Shaunie Henderson, entrepreneur and creator of Basketball Wives, and Keion Henderson, senior pastor of The Lighthouse Church and Ministries in Houston. They open up about redefining success, slowing down, and leading a vibrant faith community together. Hear candid stories about transitioning from the hustle of LA to intentional living, the challenges and rewards of church leadership, and how marriage thrives amidst public scrutiny. The couple shares their unique takes on communication, evolving relationships, and what it means to truly listen and serve in today’s world.

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Slowing Down With Intention
03:17 Life After Los Angeles
04:49 Feeling “Not Enough” and Letting Go
06:29 Basketball Wives Ends
07:54 Church Leadership Under a Microscope
08:26 Stories of Transformation at Church
11:18 Why Serve Through the Church
13:01 Protecting Personal Health and Awareness
13:38 Marriage, New Seasons, and Communication
15:21 Navigating Hard Conversations Together
19:19 Balancing Love and Leadership Roles
22:03 Differences in Leadership Styles
23:28 Stepping Into Church Leadership
25:07 Building a Hug Ministry
28:53 The Church’s Role in Society

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Comedian Pete Holmes joins Ben Higgins for a deep dive into comedy, faith, and finding true freedom. Pete shares personal stories—divorce, heartbreak, spiritual awakening through Ram Dass and psilocybin, and a journey from strict evangelical roots to embracing spaciousness and play. They dissect why we take life too seriously, the power of laughter to connect us, what spirituality really means beyond labels, and how Pete uses comedy to reveal our shared weirdness. Plus: thoughts on the afterlife, finding peace in uncertainty, Pete’s new special "Silly Silly Fun Boy", and why confession makes us less alone. Tune in for wisdom, honesty, and lots of laughs.

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Comedy, Spirituality, and Freedom
01:04 Ben’s Comedy Envy
02:56 The Comedian’s Safe Space
04:26 Laughing at Darkness
05:46 Generational Humor Shifts
06:06 Spirituality and Playfulness
08:49 Lightness, Faith, and Identity
09:59 Breaking Free from Labels
13:39 Pete’s Spiritual Journey
18:49 Heartbreak and Rethinking God
20:14 Mushrooms and Awareness
21:33 Beyond Words and Spiritual Experience
22:51 Myth, Story, and Meaning
23:56 Finding Clarity in Doubt
25:11 Everyday Awareness and Acceptance
29:08 Life, Death, and Consciousness
33:09 Oneness, Afterlife, and Self
35:34 Bridging Comedy and Depth
38:16 Vulnerability, Confession, Connection
42:13 Laughter’s Healing and Holiness
46:45 Silly Silly Fun Boy Promo

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Songwriter Ruston Kelly joins Ben Higgins for a raw, honest conversation on “If You Can Hear Me.” Ruston shares his creative process, spiritual journey, and how making sense of pain fuels his music. The episode explores his struggles with addiction, faith, and the transformative power of gratitude, culminating in his experience with the divine and the impact of love in his life. Discover how Ruston’s latest album, “Pale Through the Window,” became a testament to healing and connection. If you’ve ever felt alone, this episode offers comfort, insight, and a powerful reminder that fulfillment comes not from chasing success, but from community and authenticity.

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Mission Behind Ruston’s Music
00:00 Spiritual Paralysis and Finding God
00:48 Ben Higgins Welcomes Ruston Kelly
01:18 Music’s Impact on the Soul
02:27 What Connection Really Means
03:54 Aloneness, Community, and Healing
05:55 Addiction, Suffering, and Fulfillment
07:17 Career Versus Meaning
08:20 Temptation to Shift for Success
09:58 Balancing Art and Commerce
12:05 Competing and Comparing in Industry
14:44 Longing, Despair, and Worship
16:34 Idols and False Selves
18:20 Encounter With the Divine
22:09 Gratitude and Spiritual Awakening
28:07 Doubt After Spiritual Experience
30:42 Trials and Building Back
36:03 Creating “Pale Through the Window”
38:43 Trusting the Creative Process
45:19 Joy, Simplicity, and Vulnerability
47:18 Meeting Tia and True Love
51:21 God’s Timing in Relationships

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