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Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast

Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast

By: Barry Joseph & Broadway Podcast Network
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Matching Minds with Sondheim: The Podcast in an open invitation into the puzzle-loving, game-designing mind of Broadway legend Stephen Sondheim. Based on the acclaimed book by Barry Joseph, each episode uncovers the hidden world of Sondheim’s lifelong passion for treasure hunts, cryptic crosswords, parlor games, and more. Join Barry and his guests—puzzle-makers, game designers, and Sondheim aficionados—as they explore how Sondheim's playful designs delivered moments of clarity and connection for friends, colleagues, and anyone who's ever been captivated by his genius. Whether you’re a musical theater fan, a puzzlehead, or just Sondheim-curious, this series invites you to match minds with Sondheim. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, or click here.Barry Joseph & Broadway Podcast Network Art Entertainment & Performing Arts World
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  • #29-A Mash-up of Topics Raised with me About Sondheim

    #29-A Mash-up of Topics Raised with me About Sondheim
    May 26 2026
    It’s a mash-up! Producer Dennis Caouki weaves together audio from two recent interviews—one with mathematician Art Benjamin (via the National Museum of Mathematics’ Starring Math webinar series) and one from Shoshana Greenberg’s Scene to Song podcast—into a single conversation. The combined interview explores Sondheim’s connections to math, puzzles, and games; cryptic crosswords; design values like misdirection and accessibility; and how those ideas appear in Sondheim’s work (including Into the Woods, A Little Night Music, Sweeney Todd, Company, and Pacific Overtures). The discussion also touches on Schmigadoon! season two’s Sondheim-inspired mashups, Hadestown, The Last of Sheila, and the Knives Out films as modern homages. 00:00 Podcast Updates Ahead 00:27 Audiobook Booth Stories 03:05 Two Interviews One Episode 05:35 Meet Barry Joseph 08:49 Hadestown As Ritual 10:10 Sondheim And Math Roots 11:45 Math In A Little Night Music 15:28 Into The Woods London Take 19:50 CD-ROM Game That Never Was 22:58 Sondheim Puzzle Design Values 26:15 Treasure Hunt Phone Puzzle 27:58 Puzzles For Anybody 29:13 Matching Minds Explained 29:59 Inside Sondheim’s Mind 31:18 Bernstein Puzzle Rivalry 32:49 Lyrics as Game Design 37:38 Cryptic Crosswords Explained 39:54 Solving a Clue Live 43:27 Games in the Shows 45:57 Knives Out Homages 47:41 Schmigadoon Mashup Magic 53:15 Broadway Hopes and Farewell Special Links: Scene to Song with Shoshana Greenberg Art Benjamin - ThatMathShow.com Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    59 mins
  • #28-Sondheim and Puzzle Boxes, with David Staller

    #28-Sondheim and Puzzle Boxes, with David Staller
    Apr 14 2026
    Our latest episode focuses on Stephen Sondheim’s fascination with puzzle boxes, featuring guest David Staller, founding artistic director of the Gingold Theatrical Group. Staller describes his Shaw-inspired connection to Sondheim through Hermione Gingold, their friendship and correspondence, and Sondheim’s attraction to puzzles as finite, controllable structures that offered relief from the chaos of human relationships and creative pressures. The episode includes rare audio from Sondheim’s Games Magazine interview about collecting and admiring puzzle boxes, plus excerpts from Barry’s interview with puzzle-box designer Kagen Sound (on learning Sondheim was a client and seeing his boxes in the film Six by Sondheim). Staller recounts gifting Sondheim puzzle boxes (including Japanese artisan-made boxes), treasure-hunt parties and movie-themed murder mysteries, a final unopened birthday box returned after Sondheim’s death, and finding a hidden note during the 2024 Doyle auction. He also describes Sondheim’s love for, and association with the boy-star of, the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes. 00:00 Everything Is A Puzzle 01:44 Meet Guest David Staller 02:55 Shaw Connection To Sondheim 05:11 Why Games Felt Safe 07:54 Discovering Puzzle Boxes 08:46 What Puzzle Boxes Are 10:37 Sondheim On Puzzle Boxes 12:47 Voice Memories And Boxes 16:59 Japanese Artisan And Last Box 19:40 Opening The Box Onstage 21:53 What Was Inside The Box 23:25 Treasure Hunts And Movie Trivia 26:04 Thin Man Roleplaying Games 26:44 Movie Roleplay Mystery 28:34 Home Treasure Hunt 30:30 Sondheim Grammar Patrol 32:16 Puzzle Boxes Meaning 33:49 Kagen Sound Spotlight 36:04 Boxes On The Piano 38:04 Auction Hidden Note 39:42 Objects And Legacy 42:22 Calvin And Hobbes 47:31 Life As A Puzzle Special Links: David Staller Gingold Theatrical Group Kagen Sound Andrew Parr Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    55 mins
  • #27- Two "Little" Sondheim Treasure Hunts

    #27- Two "Little" Sondheim Treasure Hunts
    Apr 7 2026
    Join Barry Joseph and guests David Spira (Room Escape Artist) and Rachel Allen Duncan (Watson Adventures) to explore why Stephen Sondheim designed treasure hunts for decades, focusing on two with related names: the 1973 A Little Night Music Treasure Hunt at the Shubert Theatre and the 2011 A Little Jurassic Treasure Hunt at the American Museum of Natural History. Performers George Lee Andrews and Marti Morris recall the Shubert cast-party hunt co-devised with Anthony Perkins, where puzzle-photo team formation led to lyric-based clues hidden around the theater. Event producer Brigid Walsh describes producing the 2011 fundraiser hunt hosted by Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick for Friends In Deed, including wax-sealed packets, team coordinators, dinosaur-hall clue cards, a meta-puzzle, and a final reveal involving a freight elevator, toy dinosaurs, and a hidden prize. Make sure to get the book everywhere books are found, ⁠⁠or click here⁠⁠. 00:00 Sondheim Human Touch 01:43 Meet The Guests 03:24 Two Little Hunts 04:55 Show And Memories 06:43 Cast Interview Begins 11:19 Shubert Hunt Story 15:49 Ice Cream Interlude 17:12 Design Takeaways 24:35 Clue Sheet Breakdown 30:43 Weddings And Hunts 32:48 Wedding Puzzle Talk 33:47 Sondheim Museum Hunt Setup 35:47 Designing the Venue 39:20 Watching Players Lose It 41:55 Why Museums Work 43:46 Dino Hall Game Ideas 46:03 Inside the Hunt Packet 50:49 Rules and Meta Puzzle 55:55 Clues and Cheating 58:44 Spoilers Final Solve 01:01:37 Prizes and Reflections 01:04:15 Sondheim Takeaways 01:06:31 Plugs and Signoff Special Links: Room Escape Artist Reality Escape Pod Watson Adventures AMNH Dinosaurs Colm Molloy Ann Morrison Mateo Chavez Lewis Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    1 hr and 13 mins
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