In this episode, we sit down with Kirsten Liston, Founder and CEO of Rethink Compliance, to explore how modern compliance is evolving... from policies and enforcement to culture, behavior, and influence. If you’ve ever wondered why people “know the rules” and still break them, or why compliance training can feel performative (and ineffective), this conversation reframes compliance as a systems-and-psychology challenge. Kirsten shares how organizations can make compliance stick by designing environments that support ethical decisions, using data analytics to understand what’s really happening, and communicating expectations through storytelling and creative training strategies that people actually remember. Whether you’re leading change, managing risk, building culture, or trying to get buy-in without authority—this episode gives you practical ways to move compliance from a department to a shared organizational capability.

Topics we cover

• Compliance as a reflection of human behavior
• The evolution of compliance: rules → culture
• Measuring compliance impact with data analytics
• Why “check-the-box” training fails (and what works instead)
• Storytelling + creative communication in compliance training
• Building leadership buy-in and cross-level commitment
• ROI of a strong compliance culture (risk reduction + trust)
• The “bad apples” problem—and why systems still matter
• Compliance realities in small and scaling organizations