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Second Nature

Second Nature

By: Dylan Bowman & Aaron Lutze
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The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman2024 Economics
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  • Why Curiosity Outlasts Strategy
    Apr 3 2026

    Floris Gierman has it all: he's an author, content creator, co-founder of a running apparel brand, and so much more. His approach in hindsight seems methodical and measured in its approach, but the truth is that this all came around from years of consistent, small steps. In this episode, we dig into the day-to-day as well as the big picture of Floris Gierman's world.

    This episode is supported by Popfly, a platform that connects brands with outdoor, adventure and travel creators for campaigns. Support this podcast by using these links to check out the platform:

    Get a personalized Brand demo: https://popfly.com?grsf=x4d7gg

    Get set up as a Creator: https://www.popfly.com/creators?growsurf_campaign=wovvt7&grsf=3jh7ss

    Show Notes:

    Floris Gierman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/florisgierman/

    Path Projects: https://pathprojects.com/

    Floris on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FlorisGierman

    Flo's First Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CAxzM2mkrc

    Extramilest Podcast: https://extramilest.com/

    Personal Best Running Club: https://www.skool.com/personalbest/about

    Scott Bailey: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-bailey-0bb22b28/

    Geoff Rowley: https://www.instagram.com/geoffrowley/

    Running Breakthroughs (Book): https://amzn.to/4sNFEeC

    Ryan Hall: https://www.instagram.com/ryanhall3/

    Believe In The Run: https://believeintherun.com/

    Kilian on Extramilest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZO-t6O5Bk

    BPC - Brand, Product, Content

    Manors Golf: https://manorsgolf.com/

    KetoneIQ: https://ketone.com/Freetrail30

    Path Projects Base Liner: https://pathprojects.com/collections/base-liners

    The Way Of Excellence (Book): https://amzn.to/4sNFEeC

    Path Projects Basis Tee: https://pathprojects.com/collections/short-sleeves-and-tanks/products/basis-tee

    Backcountry Slickrock Kit: https://app.popfly.com/@superridertv/storefront

    Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media

    Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature

    Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media

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    Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • The Evolution of Brands, Athletes and Creators
    Mar 27 2026

    The Evolution of Brands, Athletes and Creators

    If there's one thing for certain, it's that nothing ever stays the same - doubly so if you're a brand in the outdoor space or an athlete or creator. Over the past year, we've had so many discussions about what's working, the right way to approach it, and how it has evolved.

    Jonathan Levitt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jlevitt815/

    Small Shows Hit Different: https://substack.com/@longrunlabs/p-190439642

    Hollow Socks: https://hollowsocks.com/

    Hollow Socks on Second Nature: https://youtu.be/qri10TgoOMM

    Jonathan's Previous SN episode: https://youtu.be/fYEjPke9Btg

    Brand Partnership 101 Article: https://substack.com/home/post/p-170877180

    Substack Podcasts: https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-the-substack-recording

    Colleen Quigley: https://www.instagram.com/steeple_squigs/

    Kitworks: https://alnk.to/hsyF2FO

    Claude: https://claude.ai/

    Eternal: https://www.eternal.co

    Alex Mather on Second Nature

    The Huddle: https://findmyhuddle.com/

    Second Nature Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature

    BPC - Brand, Product, Content:

    Raziq Rauf "This Is Running" (Book): https://amzn.to/3PteKKk

    Seth LaRue Trail Waves: https://trailwaves.substack.com/

    Wahoo Kickr: https://amzn.to/4bAgDgY

    Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media

    Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature

    Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media

    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media

    Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • A Refreshing Approach To Acquisition In the Outdoor Industry
    Mar 20 2026

    Recently, two long-standing outdoor industry businesses, Alpenglow Expeditions and Thomson Bike Tours, were acquired by Milky Way Park. But while acquisitions are nothing new to the outdoor industry, the way it came together (and continues to develop) is worth a closer look. On this episode, iconic athlete and Alpenglow founder Adrian Ballinger joins Milky Way Park's founder Matthew Lloyd-Thomas to share the story.

    Show Notes:

    Adrian Ballinger: https://www.instagram.com/adrianballinger/

    Alpenglow Expeditions: https://alpenglowexpeditions.com/

    Matthew Lloyd-Thomas: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-lloyd-thomas-541a9614/

    Milky Way Park: https://www.milkywaypark.com/

    Chernin Group: https://tcg.co/

    Unrivaled Sports: https://www.unrivaledsports.com/

    Emily Harrington: https://www.instagram.com/emilyaharrington/

    Thomson Bike Tours: https://www.thomsonbiketours.com/

    Aiden Charles (Coach): https://www.charlescoaching.com/coaches/

    The Duffel Shuffle Podcast: https://www.duffelshufflepodcast.com/

    DangerStik: https://www.youtube.com/@DangerStikTV

    Mt Everest Ski Project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjZvFY6__qw

    Centium AI: https://www.centium.ai/

    BPC - Brand, Product, Content

    Luft Bike Shop: https://luftlosangeles.com/

    Zipp 404 Wheels: https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/wh-404-ftld-b1

    Keith McNally "I Regret Everything" (Book): https://amzn.to/40BXhBO

    Derek Thompson - Fatherhood: https://www.derekthompson.org/p/three-reasons-to-be-a-parent

    Lenz Heated Socks: https://lenzproducts.com/

    Broken Arrow Skyrace: https://www.brokenarrowskyrace.com/

    Tangle Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/tangle/id1538788132

    Freehub Magazine: https://freehub.com/

    John Mackey on David Senra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zqsiePKsg

    Jason Fried on David Senra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdDCtMA1gSw

    Join us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/second-nature-media

    Meet us on Slack: https://www.launchpass.com/second-nature

    Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/secondnature.media

    Subscribe to our newsletter: https://www.secondnature.media

    Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@secondnaturemedia

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    1 hr and 17 mins
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