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The B2B Playbook

The B2B Playbook

By: Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris
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Selling Business to Business? Trying to do everything, but not sure if any of it works? We’re here to help! We're Kevin and George - digital marketing professionals who are here to share with you the RIGHT plan so you can get your amazing business growing online. We’ve waded through the noise, made the mistakes, and found what works so you don't have to. We also share tips, tricks and templates from our upcoming playbook and insights from successful people in the industry. If you’re in a B2B business and like to see your marketing work for you, then this is the podcast for you! Subscribe to get the latest from the B2B Playbook first. Join our CLUB of B2B owners and marketers on LinkedIn sharing their experiences https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13980317/ Want more? Check out our weekly articles on https://theb2bplaybook.com/ Remember, with the right plan, anyone can grow their business online!Copyright 2026 Kevin Chen & George Coudounaris Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
Episodes
  • #229: B2B Marketing: How to Measure Brand the RIGHT Way
    May 12 2026

    In this episode, we break down how to actually measure brand impact without overcomplicating it, including the leading indicators lean B2B teams should track before pipeline shows up.

    We cover:

    → Why leading indicators matter more than lagging ones early on

    → What early brand signals actually look like in practice

    → Why qualitative data and self-reported attribution is so powerful

    → A simple list of brand metrics lean teams should focus on

    If you are a B2B marketer trying to justify your brand investment to leadership or figure out if your demand gen is actually working before revenue shows up.

    Tune in and learn:

    → The difference between leading and lagging brand metrics

    → What signals to watch for before pipeline materializes

    → Why qualitative beats quantitative for brand measurement in B2B

    → How to build a simple brand scorecard without bloated dashboards

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    🔗 Links + CTAs

    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course

    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school

    💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency

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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 How to Measure Brand Without Overcomplicating It

    00:01 Why B2B Teams Struggle to Measure Brand Impact

    00:02 The Five B's Framework Refresher

    00:03 Definitions: Leading vs Lagging Brand Indicators

    00:07 Why Brand Programs Get Killed Too Early

    00:07 What Early Brand Signals Actually Look Like

    00:09 ICP Engagement as a Brand Signal

    00:10 Self-Reported Attribution and How Did You Hear About Us

    00:12 Sales Feedback as an Early Brand Signal

    00:13 Category Entry Points and Customer Interviews

    00:14 Why Qualitative Data Beats Quantitative in B2B

    00:16 Self-Reported Attribution in the Age of AI

    00:19 Why Ad Platforms Are Giving Advertisers Less Control

    00:20 Simple Brand Metrics for Lean Teams

    00:23 Share of Search as a Brand Metric

    00:24 Key Takeaways: What to Track and Why

    S08 E229 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #leadgeneration #digitalmarketing

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    29 mins
  • #228: Demand Generation vs Lead Generation (Why Most Teams Get It Wrong) Plus 2026 demand gen strategy
    Apr 30 2026

    Most B2B marketers think demand generation and lead generation are the same thing.

    They’re not.

    And confusing the two is exactly why your pipeline isn’t growing.

    In this episode, we break down the real difference between demand generation vs lead generation — and why most teams are stuck running a system that creates activity, not revenue.

    We walk through the 5 BE’s Framework and show how to shift from chasing leads to building real demand in your market.

    Tune in and learn:

    → Why lead generation breaks at scale

    → How demand generation actually builds pipeline

    → What most teams get wrong about the 95/5 rule

    If you’re under pressure to generate more leads but know something isn’t working, this will change how you approach marketing.

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    🔗 Links + CTAs

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    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course

    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school

    💼 Need help generating demand for your B2B business?

    https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-agency

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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 Demand Generation vs Lead Generation: Why This Debate Matters

    00:03 The Real Problem: It’s Not Tactics, It’s Sequencing

    00:05 Lead Generation Explained (And Why It Breaks)

    00:07 Why Sales Hates Lead Gen (And They’re Right)

    00:09 The “Leaky Bucket” Problem in B2B Marketing

    00:11 Why Lead Gen Becomes Financially Unsustainable

    00:12 Why Demand Capture Alone Doesn’t Scale

    00:14 The 95/5 Rule That Changes Everything

    00:16 Why Buyers Ignore You (Even If You’re Better)

    00:18 Demand Generation Explained (What It Actually Means)

    00:20 The 5 B’s Framework: A Better System

    00:23 Category Entry Points: The Missing Link

    00:25 Why “Cataloguing” Beats Intent Data

    00:29 How Sales & Marketing Became Misaligned

    00:30 Building Trust Before Buyers Are Ready

    00:33 Why Most Content Doesn’t Work

    00:34 Distribution: The Difference Between Seen vs Ignored

    00:36 LinkedIn Strategy That Drives Real Demand

    00:40 Case Study: From $50K to $200K/Month

    00:43 Measuring Demand Gen (Without Last Click Bias)

    00:44 Revenue Alignment: The Missing System

    00:46 How to Build a Competitive Advantage

    00:48 Where to Start (Without Breaking Everything)

    00:50 Balancing Demand Gen vs Lead Gen in Reality

    00:53 AI Won’t Replace This Skill

    00:57 How Long Demand Gen Actually Takes

    S08 E228 - The B2B Playbook #b2b #b2bmarketing #demandgeneration #leadgeneration #digitalmarketing

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • #227: AEO vs SEO: How AI Search is Changing B2B Marketing
    Apr 23 2026

    In this video, I break down AI visibility and GEO vs traditional SEO, and whether any of it actually changes how B2B teams should go to market.

    We cover:

    → What AEO and GEO actually mean and how they differ from traditional SEO

    → Why the Five B's framework still holds up in the age of AI

    → Why "be helpful" content is now more important than ever

    → 3 practical things to do instead of chasing AI visibility hacks

    If you are a B2B founder, marketer, or sales leader trying to figure out if AI search changes your content strategy or if the fundamentals still apply, this episode is for you.

    Tune in and learn:

    ✅ Why AI doesn't replace your go-to-market playbook, it just raises the bar on being helpful

    ✅ How to tighten your positioning so AI chatbots actually cite your brand

    ✅ Why niche, question-led content wins in AI interfaces

    ✅ How partnerships and trust signals drive distribution in the AI era

    ✅ A bonus tip on using Bing's AI performance reporting for Copilot visibility

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    🔗 Links + CTAs

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    🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course

    🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school

    💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency

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    SUBSCRIBE to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@theb2bplaybook

    SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletter

    GET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/

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    Timestamps:

    00:00 - Does AI change the B2B playbook?

    01:11 - Intro and what we're covering today

    01:56 - Quick recap of the Five B's framework

    03:04 - Does AI visibility change anything?

    07:37 - Why being helpful matters more than ever

    08:40 - The context shift in buyer discovery

    12:35 - Why helpful content gets picked up by AI

    13:42 - Be helpful is the main event

    15:27 - The bar for content is getting lower

    18:18 - Three things to do instead of chasing AI hacks

    21:52 - Practical examples using the five stages of awareness

    24:35 - Distribution and earning trust signals

    27:25 - Low hanging fruit: partnerships

    28:08 - Bonus: Bing's AI performance reporting

    29:00 - Key takeaways

    30:33 - Outro

    S08 E227 - The B2B Playbook #aivisibility #seo #b2bmarketing

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    33 mins
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