David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Shad Martin, who honors the legacy of his mother, Glenda Martin. A "boy mom" of four, Glenda was the spiritual anchor of her family, sending her husband and sons to war while maintaining a steadfast devotion to the gospel. Shad recounts her sudden passing from a staph infection following back surgery, highlighting her selfless nature even in her final moments.
The discussion explores the doctrinal definition of hope as an abiding trust in God’s promises. Shad explains how "embracing" these promises—such as the reality of the resurrection and eternal families—provides a bridge through the "waves of grief". He emphasizes that while hope doesn't remove sorrow, it persuades us to see mortal trials through a celestial lens.
Finally, Shad teaches the comforting doctrine of the ministering of angels, specifically those from our "kindred dead". He shares a sacred experience where he felt his mother’s presence helping his missionary daughter, testifying that our loved ones remain active participants in our lives. The episode concludes with a witness that Christ's Atonement turns "goodbye to goodbyes".

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David Mickelson is joined by guest host KC Cowles to welcome Chelsea Wilkes, who shares the heart-wrenching story of a tragic car accident when she was 17. While driving her mother and five younger siblings through the Nevada desert, Chelsea fell asleep at the wheel. The resulting rollover claimed the life of her 12-year-old sister, Becca, leaving Chelsea with a crushing burden of guilt and shame.
Nine months later, Chelsea’s despair led to a mental health crisis and hospitalization. In her "darkest season," she felt abandoned until a spiritual prompting urged her to give her burden to God. Through prayer and studying the life of Christ, she realized the Savior understood her pain perfectly, transforming her bitterness into a "renewed identity" and a purpose to live.
Today, Chelsea is a mother of six pursuing a master's degree in social work to help others find healing. She testifies that the Atonement is "tangible," capable of turning darkness into light. Her message to those in despair is to "not confuse a season for a lifetime," trusting that the Savior's grace never leaves us.Follow along on social media:

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David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome back Jordan Robertson for her third clinical installment. Jordan defines secondary loss as the "ripple effect" of subsequent losses stemming from a death, such as changes in identity, routine, and financial security. Unlike the immediate impact of a primary loss, these cascading changes often catch the bereaved off guard years later.

Kori shares a poignant account of navigating his daughters' health crises while still processing the earlier loss of his daughter, Kamryn. Jordan categorizes these challenges into areas like loss of function—where daily tasks become overwhelming—and the heavy loss of hopes and dreams, such as missing a child’s future milestones, missions, or weddings.

The episode provides strategies for navigating these "intangible" losses, including naming them and finding anchor relationships. Ultimately, the hosts highlight secondary loss as a new avenue to rely on Jesus Christ. Kori shares how a sacred song brought him comfort, testifying that the Savior provides relief and hope throughout the long, rhythmic journey of grief.

Disclaimer:
This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care. Although a therapist in training is featured, no therapy or counseling services are being provided, and no therapist-client relationship is formed. If you need support, please contact a qualified mental health professional or, in a crisis, reach out to local emergency services or the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

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