Welcome to the Lead Relationally podcast, where Chris and Brad invite you into an ongoing conversation about a better way to approach leadership.

Although they are seasoned leaders, they prefer to consider themselves students, rather than experts. They've “seen a thing or two”, though, and they’ve become convinced that many traditional leadership models don’t go far enough. There has to be a better, fuller, more human way to lead.

This podcast explores what it means to lead yourself and others well—whether you’re managing a team or simply working within one. Brad and Chris dive into the real dynamics of leadership: team friction, communication challenges, self-doubt, isolation, and the tension between getting results and valuing people. They challenge the idea that leadership has to be lonely and instead explore what it looks like to lead relationally—serving alongside others, engaging as whole people, and creating clarity without sacrificing humanity.

This isn’t about being everyone’s friend. It’s about learning to relate well, communicate effectively, and build environments where people feel seen, valued, and understood—while still accomplishing meaningful goals.

From hiring and firing to handling conflict and confronting tough conversations, they’ll unpack how a relational approach can transform the way we lead.

If you’ve ever wrestled with questions like “Am I doing this right?” or “Is there a better way to lead?”—this conversation is for you.

Join them on the journey as they explore what it means to lead relationally—and discover how leadership can be both effective and deeply human.

See you on the path!