What separates leaders who endure from those who burn out? Often, it’s not vision - it’s governance.

In this episode of The Missional Leader, Rob sits down with Mart Green - a respected business leader, philanthropist, and architect behind some of today’s most influential faith-driven ventures - to explore why lasting impact is built through accountability, trusted partnerships, and courageous leadership. Mart serves as Chief Strategy Officer for the Green Family Businesses and Board Chair for Hobby Lobby.

Drawing from decades of experience leading at the highest levels of business and ministry, Mart shares practical insights on the critical balance between leadership and governance. From helping guide Oral Roberts University through crisis to collaborating on Christian media initiatives, he unpacks why organizations often fail not because of weak leadership, but because of weak structures of accountability.

In this conversation, you’ll discover:

• Why governance is essential for both personal and professional leadership
• How to build “adventure partnerships” rooted in trust and honest accountability
• The difference between bold vision and sustainable leadership
• Practical wisdom for building relationships and structures that stand the test of time

Whether you’re leading a team, serving on a board, or growing in your own leadership journey, this episode offers timeless insight for leading with purpose, resilience, and integrity.

• Episode Guide: Access a resource designed to help you reflect and learn from this episode conversation!
• Hobby Lobby
  — Referenced as the business founded by Mart Green's family
• The Chosen
  — TV series mentioned as a current adventure/project
• Oral Roberts University (ORU)
  — Referenced throughout the discussion on governance and leadership
• Through Gates of Splendor by Elisabeth Elliot — Book referenced in connection to the missionary story and film
• End of the Spear (film)
  — Movie produced as a result of an early adventure

CHAPTERS:
00:05 The True Meaning of “Adventure Partners”
01:14 Building Trust: The Nature of Real Relationships
03:04 Stepping Into the Unknown: Inviting Yourself In
04:15 Choosing Accountability: Seven Adventure Partners
05:18 The Two Wings: Leadership and Governance
06:35 Inspiration from “Through Gates of Splendor”
09:08 Extreme Generosity: 39% of My Year for ORU
11:03 The Power of Mentorship: Meeting Bob Cooley
12:13 Wisdom Is the Body of the Plane
14:00 Saying Yes When You Want a No
15:00 Every Mess Traced Back to Governance
17:17 Practical Steps for Young Leaders: Personal Accountability
18:31 Stages of Governance: From Founder to Generative
20:10 The Value of Young Voices on Boards
22:03 Building Generational Strategy Groups
22:35 Friendship, Adventure, and the Joy of Not Going Alone

What does it take to lead a nextgen movement - before your 30th birthday? In this episode of The Missional Leader, Rob Hoskins sits down with Charlie Hughes, a dynamic young preacher making waves in South Florida as the leader of Rally, a thriving young adult ministry based at First Baptist Fort Lauderdale and Church by the Glades.

Church by the Glades is a thriving megachurch reaching more than 9,000 each week, while First Baptist carries historic legacy right in the heart of downtown Fort Lauderdale.

Together, Rob and Charlie unpack the surprising soil that’s cultivating the next generation of church leaders. Charlie shares candidly about growing up as a pastor's kid, what it was like preaching his very first sermon at age 16 (and why it was both his worst and most formative), and the balancing act of authenticity and stewardship when stepping into significant responsibility at a young age.

Key moments you won’t want to miss:

• The real reason Charlie wasn’t nervous preaching as a teen—and how that resulted in a crash course on preparation, humility, and growth.
• The behind-the-scenes “soil” of his upbringing: how consistent, authentic faith in his family shaped his love for Jesus, love for people, and approach to ministry.
• The secrets to building leadership capacity as the crowds grew, and why discipline, initiative, and the courage to be entrusted with more are essential for young leaders.

This episode is an inspiring, practical look at how authenticity, entrustment, and sacrificial discipline are forming a new generation of missional leaders - plus, encouragement for both young leaders stepping up and those looking to empower the next generation.

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• Church by the Glades
  — Mentioned as one of the churches where Charlie Hughes serves; described as a thriving megachurch in South Florida.
• First Baptist Fort Lauderdale
  — Mentioned as another church where Charlie Hughes serves; located in downtown Fort Lauderdale.
• Theology of the City by Rob Hoskins
  — Book mentioned as authored by Rob Hoskins, on urban missiology.
• OneHope Research: Gen Z & Gen Alpha

CHAPTERS:
00:04 Worst Sermon Ever: Lessons from Failure
01:07 Launching Rally: Leading a Young Adult Movement
05:43 Authentic Faith at Home vs. Church
08:41 Balancing Coolness and Faith as a PK
10:00 Loving Jesus vs. Loving Ministry
13:31 No Dramatic Call: A Lingering Ministry Desire
15:17 Culture of Entrustment: Youth Leading Youth
19:10 Overconfidence Bombs: Preaching Debacle at Sixteen
23:09 “Make Every Rep Count”: Growth After Failure
26:13 Deep Initiative: Bringing Your Best to God’s Work
32:09 Growing Capacity: Leadership Challenges at 26
35:33 Advice for Young Leaders in Limiting Environments
40:01 Radical Purity & Stewardship as a Young Leader

What if the key to solving the world’s greatest problems isn’t just bold ideas, but radical, faith-fueled collaboration? In this episode of The Missional Leader, Rob dives deep with Justin Forman, an entrepreneurial visionary, president of Faith Driven Entrepreneur, and a lead architect behind influential platforms like RightNow Media.

Justin shares his captivating journey from an “eager beaver” mission trip pioneer to catalyzing a global movement of Kingdom-minded entrepreneurs. Together, Rob and Justin unpack why today’s emerging generation is uniquely wired for entrepreneurship, creation, and collaborative impact - and how the Church must grow a richer theology of vocation, innovation, and generosity to meet this moment.

You’ll discover:

• Why naming the “villain” is crucial for transforming good intentions into real-world action - and how bland, “Hallmark” storytelling holds Christian leaders back
• How collaborative generosity, not just individual effort, is unlocking breakthroughs in Bible translation, higher education for the world’s poorest, and more
• The seismic cultural shift: Why trust in small businesses dwarfs faith in government and even the Church, and what that means for mission-minded leaders

From the explosion of Faith Driven Entrepreneur - connecting millions of leaders worldwide - to the fresh initiative of “Solving the World’s Great Problems,” this conversation is both practical and inspiring. If you’re a builder, creative, or faith-driven innovator longing to see your calling meet the world’s deepest needs, this episode will challenge and equip you.

Are you ready to stop looking away from the world’s villains and step into a new era of collaborative Kingdom impact?

Show Note Links:

• Episode Guide: Access a resource designed to help you reflect and learn from this episode conversation!
• Faith Driven Entrepreneur: https://www.faithdrivenentrepreneur.org
• Right Now Media: https://www.rightnowmedia.org/
• OneHope Research: Gen Alpha https://onehope.net/global-outreach/research/
• Miscio: https://www.miscio.io/
• Solving the World’s Greatest Problems: https://solving.org/
• Collaborative Missiology: More resources will be coming soon! To stay up to date on resources related to this topic, sign up here.

CHAPTERS:
00:01 What Revival Looks Like When It’s Out of Control
01:08 Gen Z: Anxious, Secular—or Spiritually Curious?
05:13 Bold Faith: Gen Z’s Unexpected Evangelistic Courage
07:05 Post-Christian or Pre-Christian? New Openness in Europe
08:18 Students Leading Alpha in Public Schools
10:34 Youth Alpha Reimagined: Collaborative, Global Approach
13:58 Gen Z’s Search for the Lasting and Solid
14:57 Presence Over Programs: Gen Z’s Spiritual Priorities
16:46 Hard Questions, Thick Theology: The Shift in Discipling
19:11 Grace and Truth: Equipping Volunteer Leaders for Gen Z
22:02 Bible Sales Up, Spiritual Hunger Rising
24:13 Church Must Reform to See Awakening Become Revival
28:01 Guide Beside, Not Sage on the Stage
29:46 Real Relationships: Parents as Most Trusted Voices
32:08 Jesus Is Lord Generation: All-In Faith Stories
34:50 An Age of Collaborative Missiology
35:25 Closing Encouragement & Leadership Vulnerability