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The SEO Podcast: Page 2 Podcast Hosted by Jon Clark & Joe DeVita

The SEO Podcast: Page 2 Podcast Hosted by Jon Clark & Joe DeVita

By: Jon Clark Joe DeVita
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Hosted by Jon Clark, this is a podcast about the people of SEO, their stories, and what life as an SEO is really like. Featuring some of the industry's best and brightest minds, we share our experiences (both good and bad), talk about successes and failures, share strategic and tactical knowledge, and much more.2018 - 2026 The Page 2 Podcast Career Success Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • Inside the New 2026 AI Search Study: What Marketers Must Know with Baruch Toledano 📊
    Mar 23 2026

    https://page2pod.com - AI is transforming how users discover information, shifting from traditional search engines to AI-powered answers. In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Baruch Toledano (SimilarWeb) to break down the latest insights from the Generative AI Landscape Study and the 2026 AI Brand Visibility Report.

    They explore how AI search differs from Google, why prompts are getting longer and more complex, and what it takes for brands to appear inside AI-generated answers. From the rise of niche publishers to the growing importance of your entire digital footprint, this episode is packed with actionable insights for marketers navigating the next era of search.

    🔍 In This Episode

    • How AI is compressing the internet into a single answer and changing discovery
    • Why AI prompts are dramatically longer than traditional search queries
    • The surprising rise of niche publishers and long-tail content in AI results
    • How SEO and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) now work together
    • Why your entire digital footprint matters more than ever
    • The role of brand recall and branded search in AI-driven journeys
    • How industries like fashion are winning in AI search visibility
    • Why Reddit and consensus across sources are key ranking signals
    • The growing importance of content depth, FAQs, and follow-up questions
    • How AI and Google complement each other in the customer journey

    This episode reveals how marketers can adapt their strategies to stay visible in an AI-first search world.

    If you found this episode valuable, subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more insights on SEO, AI, and digital marketing.

    💬 Comment below: How are you adapting your SEO strategy for AI search and AEO?

    🛠️ Resources & Platforms Mentioned
    • Follow Baruch Toledano on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruchtoledano/
    • Baruch Toledano's Tech SEO Connect presentation: https://www.youtube.com/live/4whGj6qpZWY?si=EvTsXPFJmMD6QHPP&t=497
    • SimilarWeb - https://www.similarweb.com/
    • 2025 Generative AI Landscape: The State Of Gen AI - https://www.similarweb.com/corp/2025-generative-ai-landscape/
    • 2026 Generative AI Brand Visibility Index - https://www.similarweb.com/corp/2026-genai-brand-visibility-index/

    Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

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    50 mins
  • Is AI Killing SEO? Conductor’s Massive AEO Study Explained 📊
    Mar 16 2026

    https://page2pod.com - AI search is exploding in hype, but what does the data actually say?

    In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Patrick Reinhart, VP of Services & Thought Leadership at Conductor, to unpack one of the largest AEO and GEO benchmark studies ever conducted. After analyzing millions of prompts and billions of sessions, the surprising finding was that AI referral traffic currently accounts for only about 1% of total web traffic.

    So why are companies reorganizing teams and shifting budgets toward AI optimization?

    Patrick explains how AI search isn’t really about traffic (yet)**—it’s about **brand visibility, citations, sentiment, and authority across large language models like ChatGPT and Gemini. As traditional search and AI search converge, marketing teams must learn how to optimize for both ecosystems simultaneously.

    The conversation dives into the realities behind AI Overviews, the future of affiliate-heavy sites, why schema markup and proprietary research are becoming more valuable, and how brands should think about visibility when traffic might decline but revenue continues to grow.

    If you're an SEO, CMO, or digital marketer trying to navigate the AI transformation of search, this episode provides a clear, data-backed roadmap.

    🔍 In This Episode
    • Why AI referral traffic is only ~1% today and why that number surprises many marketers
    • The difference between traditional SEO metrics vs AI search visibility signals
    • How brand sentiment, citations, and authority influence LLM results
    • Why affiliate-heavy sites are struggling in Google but thriving in LLMs
    • The industries triggering the most Google AI Overviews (healthcare & finance)
    • How CMOs are reallocating paid search budgets into AI initiatives
    • The role of schema markup and proprietary research in future search visibility
    • Why AI-generated content without human insight is getting crushed in rankings
    • The real reason direct traffic is increasing as people research with AI first
    • Predictions for AI search growth, e-commerce agents, and the future of traffic

    This episode reveals how search is fragmenting—and why smart marketers must optimize for both traditional search and AI discovery channels.

    👍 Subscribe for more deep-dive conversations on SEO, AI search, and digital growth.

    💬 Comment below: Do you think AI search will eventually replace Google traffic—or will traditional SEO remain dominant?

    Links and Resources Mentioned
    • Pat Reinhart on Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickreinhart/
    • 2026 AEO / GEO Benchmark Report - https://www.conductor.com/academy/aeo-geo-benchmarks-report/
    • The State of AEO / GEO in 2026: The CMO Benchmark Report - https://www.conductor.com/academy/state-of-aeo-geo-report/
    • Conductor Platform - https://www.conductor.com

    Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

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    53 mins
  • Manual Bidding vs Google Automation: How Anthony Higman Wins $1,000 CPC Legal Keywords 🚀
    Mar 9 2026

    https://page2pod.com - In Episode 109 of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Anthony Higman, founder and CEO of ADSQUIRE and one of the world’s top PPC experts. Anthony manages some of the most expensive keywords on the internet—legal search—where a single click can exceed $1,000.

    In this deep dive, Anthony explains why his team intentionally resists automation, manually bidding on campaigns while closely analyzing search engine results pages (SERPs) to uncover Google’s algorithmic changes. From running a lean five-person agency to managing high-stakes legal advertising campaigns, this conversation explores what it takes to dominate search in one of the most competitive industries in digital marketing.

    Anthony also shares unconventional tactics—from geo-testing SERPs and listening to every call lead, to running creative marketing stunts like Times Square billboards—to maintain a competitive edge while delivering elite performance for law firms across the U.S.

    If you're interested in PPC strategy, Google Ads optimization, legal marketing, or the evolving battle between human expertise and machine learning in advertising, this episode is packed with actionable insights.

    🎯 In This Episode
    • Why Anthony Higman still relies on manual bidding in Google Ads while most agencies rely on automation
    • The realities of managing $1,000+ CPC keywords in legal search marketing
    • How ADSQUIRE runs a five-person agency managing massive ad spend
    • Why watching the SERP itself—not just platform metrics—is critical for campaign strategy
    • The hidden problems with Responsive Search Ads in legal marketing
    • How Google’s evolving match types and reduced transparency affect PPC performance
    • Why Anthony uses YouTube, Display, and branding campaigns alongside high-intent search ads
    • How listening to every lead call helps improve lead quality and campaign optimization
    • The limitations of Local Services Ads for scaling law firm marketing
    • Anthony’s philosophy on building a small, nimble agency instead of scaling headcount

    This episode is a must-watch for PPC specialists, digital marketers, and agency owners looking to understand how elite operators compete in high-stakes advertising markets.

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    💬 Join the conversation:
    Do you think manual PPC management can still outperform automation and AI in Google Ads? Drop your thoughts in the comments—we’d love to hear your perspective.

    🔗 Resources & Tools Mentioned
    • ADSQUIRE Official Site
    • Anthony Higman on LinkedIn
    • Anthony Higman on X
    • Adsquire's Mascot in Space
    • ADSQUIRE Breaks The World Record For Most Law Firms On A Single Billboard

    Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media

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    52 mins
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