The conversation continues... and it gets even more honest.

In Part 2 of our inaugural episode, Jennifer Baker, CIO at Arvest Bank, and cohosts Betsy Robinson & Robert Bouchard pick up right where they left off, diving deeper into one of the most urgent questions facing organizations today: why are we losing talented women in the middle of their tech careers — and what are we actually going to do about it?

Jen doesn't just name the problem. She dissects it. From return-to-office policies and social battery to multi-generational leadership and the difference between public and private recognition, this conversation goes beyond the surface-level talking points and into the real, uncomfortable work of building environments where people, and especially women, actually stay and thrive.

They also get into what it means to ask for help the right way, and the one simple sentence that makes you 37% more likely to get it.

And yes, it wraps up with walk-up songs, emoji preferences, and a few laughs. Because great leadership conversations don't have to be all business.

In this episode:

• Why return-to-office mandates may be accelerating the mid-career exodus of women
• The introvert's social battery and what it really costs to be "on" all day
• How to give recognition that actually lands across five generations of employees
• The art of asking for help and why four words change everything
• Jen's final piece of advice for anyone trying to reach their own next tier

This one is worth sharing, especially if you're an aspiring leader who wants to do better, or a woman in tech who has ever felt like the support just wasn't there. No matter where you are in your journey, Jen's insights can help you reach the next tier of your career.