Aleksey Chernobelskiy went from managing a $10B real estate portfolio to building one of the most practical platforms in CRE capital markets.

In this episode, he breaks down how GPLP Match is simplifying the connection between GPs and LPs—without fees, without friction, and without the noise.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why capital raising in CRE is still inefficient
• How GPLP Match filters and connects the right investors
• What LPs actually look for beyond IRR
• Why most deal decks fail before they’re even read
• The difference between short-term and long-term capital strategies

This episode is a clear look at where capital markets are heading—and what operators need to fix if they want to compete.

If you're raising capital or deploying it, this one gives a real-world edge.

Contact Aleksey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chernobelskiy/

Sign up as a GP or LP at: https://gplpmatch.com/

Pat Hiban of Gobundance has done what most in real estate never reach—over $1B in sales, a dominant team, and a successful transition into multifamily investing and passive income. But what stands out now isn’t what he built… it’s what he walked away from.

In this episode, Pat breaks down how he engineered a life working just 90 minutes a day, why he left commissions behind, and the simple framework he now uses to evaluate every opportunity that comes his way.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why high-volume sales eventually stops being the right game
• The shift from transactional income to true “horizontal” income
• How the 2008 crash forced a complete career pivot
• Why most side hustles fail—and how to quit them fast
• The “Easy, Lucrative, Fun” filter for evaluating deals
• How Gobundance scaled into a 1,000+ member network organically

Pat’s story is a reminder that success isn’t just about building more—it’s about building better, then knowing when to step back.

If you're chasing freedom, rethinking your business model, or evaluating what’s actually worth your time, this conversation will recalibrate how you approach the next opportunity.

Contact/Links

Email - pat@hiban.com

Gobundance - https://gobundance.com

Matt King - The Ride - https://gobundance.com/theride

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Pat Hiban

03:54 Life Updates and Work Balance

10:31 Transitioning from Real Estate Sales

15:22 Side Hustles and Lessons Learned

22:36 The Journey of Adapt Acquisitions and GoBundance

24:17 The Magic Touch in Business Ventures

25:05 Real Estate Cycles and Future Predictions

28:57 Exploring New Business Models

36:39 The Evolution of GoBundance

45:48 Connecting with Pat Hiban

After more than 40 years in commercial real estate, developer, broker, and general contractor Paul Frank shares why he is shifting away from ground-up development and focusing on brokerage and coaching the next generation of operators.

In this conversation, Paul and Saul break down what has changed in development economics, entitlement timelines, and permitting costs. From six-figure permit fees to multi-year approval delays, they explore why demand for certain asset classes is strong while new supply remains constrained.

They also discuss where opportunity still exists in today’s market, including light industrial shortages, commercial condo strategies, and the long-term value of drive-through retail sites.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why entitlement timelines and permitting costs are reshaping development
• How developers can adapt by shifting strategy and roles
• The growing supply-demand gap in light industrial real estate
• Creative value-add approaches like commercial condo conversions
• Why drive-through retail sites remain a resilient investment

If you want a grounded, real-world perspective on what is actually happening in development today, this episode delivers decades of hard-earned insight.

Connect with Paul:

• Email: paul@pdf-usa.com
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/paulfrankpdf/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulfrankpdf/
• Web: https://www.pdf-usa.com/

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