Episodes

  • Reimagining Work with Rita McGrath and Nilofer Merchant
    May 12 2026
    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Nilofer Merchant, co-founder of The Intangible Labs, and author of the new book Our Best Work: Break Free from the 24 Invisible Norms that Limit Us. 00:28: Context for the Book 3:56: The Birdcage and Why We’re Stuck 5:39: The Steve Jobs Moment: Power Voice and Being Unheard 8:58: The Trillion-Dollar Problem and Untapped Human Potential 11:16: The 24 Practices for Better Work 13:38: Fix the Room, Not Her: Rethinking Voice and Inclusion 17:45: Franklin Leonard and Power, Networks, and Reorienting Toward Purpose 25:08: Nilofer's Story: Arranged Marriage, Apple, and the Path Not Planned 31:09: Fighting for the Emperor's Pleasure: Power and Gender in the MBA Classroom 36:08: The Origin of Intangible Labs 40:01: Who Made Adam Smith’s Dinner? And Rethinking How We Measure Value 43:57: Small Teams, Ecosystems, and the Future of Organizations 46:41: The Big Picture Vision of Reimagining Work 51:18: Intangible Labs, Early Adopters, and Spreading Goodness Want to learn more about Rita’s ideas and hear more of her conversations with business leaders and innovators? Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thought-sparks/id1546758719 https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU Watch Thought Sparks episodes on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcyXT8iJkTSciUMe0me3L7Q Follow Rita on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and Blue Sky. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritamcgrath/ https://x.com/rgmcgrath https://bsky.app/profile/rgmcgrath.bsky.social Connect with Rita on TikTok and Instagram. https://www.tiktok.com/@rgmcgrath https://www.instagram.com/ritamcgrath.hub/ Sign up for her Thought Sparks Newsletter on Substack. https://thoughtsparks.substack.com/ Learn more about Rita, her books and ideas at RitaMcGrath.com.
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    1 hr
  • Catalyzing Organizational Change with Rita McGrath and Michael Lurie
    May 5 2026
    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Michael Lurie, Chief Catalyst at Bayer and expert in leading large-scale transformations. 00:00 Introductions & Context 1:37 The Challenge — Walking Into Bayer 5:07 How the Rollout Began, Using Two Tracks 8:37 The Five Principles of Dynamic Shared Ownership 10:39 Principle 1: Focus on Mission and Outcomes 11:05 Principle 2: Collaborate on a Network of Self-Managing Teams 11:51 Principle 3: Create Value as Entrepreneurial Businesses 13:00 Principle 4: Explore, Execute, and Evolve in Rapid Cycles 13:38 Principle 5: Show Up in Creative Mindset 14:45 The VACC Leadership Model 15:52 Performance Results — The Evidence 19:37 Applying DSO to Manufacturing and The Precision Question 24:12 Overcoming Skepticism and Resistance 32:46 Reimagining Budgeting Towards Dynamic Resource Flow 41:44 Professional Homes — Reimagining Talent and Compensation 49:01 How Strategy Changes in the DSO Model 57:49 Lessons Learned and Surprises on the Journey 1:01:36 Closing Want to learn more about Rita’s ideas and hear more of her conversations with business leaders and innovators? Listen to more Thought Sparks Podcast episodes on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thought-sparks/id1546758719 https://open.spotify.com/show/0xmTsYXMgTeielwZ0dGTSU Watch Thought Sparks episodes on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcyXT8iJkTSciUMe0me3L7Q Follow Rita on LinkedIn, Instagram, X and Blue Sky. https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritamcgrath/ https://x.com/rgmcgrath https://bsky.app/profile/rgmcgrath.bsky.social Connect with Rita on TikTok and Instagram. https://www.tiktok.com/@rgmcgrath https://www.instagram.com/ritamcgrath.hub/ Sign up for her Thought Sparks Newsletter on Substack. https://thoughtsparks.substack.com/ Learn more about Rita, her books and ideas at RitaMcGrath.com.
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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • Building Beloved Brands with Rita McGrath and Monica Nassif
    Apr 28 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Monica Nassif, an entrepreneur and founder of Mrs. Meyer’s Clean Day, as well as author of “I Bottled My Mother: The Mrs. Meyer’s Story: Grit, Grime, and Growing a Business”.

    [0:14] Monica Nassif: Entrepreneur, Career Changer, and Creator of Mrs. Meyer's Clean Day

    [0:36] Monica's Background, From Nursing to Marketing

    [2:42] The Eureka Moment: Reinventing Cleaning Products

    [5:28] The Real Mrs. Meyer: How Monica’s Mother Inspired a Brand

    [7:44] Savings, A Second Mortgage, and Credit Cards: When Entrepreneurs Go All In

    [11:14] The Founding of Caldrea

    [13:22] “Sawing Off The Branch” and Launching Mrs. Meyer's

    [16:26] Building Mrs. Meyer's Retail Presence

    [18:14] Growth Strategy and Lessons from Williams-Sonoma and Target

    [28:12] Being an Entrepreneurial Working Mother

    [35:37] The Decision to Sell

    [39:21] The Acquisition Process: Vetting PE Firms and Choosing SC Johnson

    [42:24] Life after the Sale

    [44:15] The Book I Bottled My Mother — Part Love Letter to Monica's Mom, Part Startup Manual

    [46:33] Lessons for Entrepreneurs

    [52:38] On Resourcefulness: “Creativity Lies in Your Hands"

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    1 hr
  • The Science of Retiring Well with Rita McGrath and Teresa Amabile
    Apr 21 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Teresa Amabile, Edsel Bryant Ford Professor, Emerita, at Harvard Business School, and co-author of the book Retiring: Creating a Life That Works for You, which draws on over 100 case studies of individuals’ experiences with retirement.

    0:33: From “The Progress Principle” to “Retiring” — The Origin of the Research

    11:13: Preparing for Retirement and What to Think About Before You Take the Step

    15:16: The Research Methodology

    20:07: The Four Tasks of Retiring

    20:24: Task One: Making the Decision

    26:17: Task Two: Detaching from Work

    29:29: Task Three: Exploring and Experimenting

    38:42: Task Four: Consolidating a Retirement Life

    41:12: Identity in Retirement — Bridging and Building Anew

    51:33: What Companies Should Do

    57:18: What Does Work Mean Now, And Teresa’s Own Retirement

    59:53: Where to Learn More

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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Maximizing Human Capacity with Rita McGrath and Vivienne Ming
    Apr 14 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Vivienne Ming, theoretical neuroscientist and artificial intelligence expert, named one of “10 Women to Watch in Tech” by Inc. Magazine and one of the BBC’s 100 Women in 2017, and author of the new book “Robot-Proof: When Machines Have all the Answers, Build Better People”.

    00:45: Introductions

    3:44: Vivienne's Personal Background – From the Farm to the Academy

    13:45: Vivienne's Work Today – From Hiring Science to the Human Trust

    18:30: What Actually Predicts Long-Term Life Success

    23:04: How AI Is Changing Teams, Trust, and Cognition

    28:01: The Core Distinction Between Well-Posed vs. Ill-Posed Problems

    32:38: Deprofessionalization and the "Right" Questions About AI and Jobs

    36:52: Three Types of Human-AI Collaborators : Automators, Validators, and Cyborgs

    43:59: The Utopia/Dystopia Debate and What's Actually Worth Worrying About

    51:29: Teaching in the Age of AI and The Case for Productive Friction

    1:00:13: What You Still Need to Learn And Why Human Qualities Are Developable

    1:05:44: Closing and Where to Learn More

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    1 hr and 9 mins
  • Building Lasting Organizations with Rita McGrath and Dave Whorton
    Apr 7 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Dave Whorton, Founder & CEO at Tugboat Institute, and co-author of Another Way: Building Companies That Last…and Last…and Last alongside Bo Burlingham, which gives practical advice and explanations of Evergreen companies: focused on long-term stability and steady growth, and leadership beyond personal wealth generation.

    00:56: The HP Origin Story and Learning to See a Different Way

    3:58: From Reluctant Venture Capitalist to the Evergreen Discovery

    9:59: The Tugboat Metaphor

    10:51: The Book's Approach to Learning in Real Time

    14:44: Financial Transparency, Jack Stack, and the Great Game of Silicon Valley Business

    18:01: The Wealth Trap and What Evergreen Leaders Model Instead

    22:15: How Evergreen Leaders Approach Boards

    25:30: People First: The First of the Seven P's

    30:22: Perseverance and the Debt Question

    30:45: Customer Intimacy Over Competition-Watching

    37:10: Why Aren’t More Companies Like This?

    40:02: The Scale and Diversity of the Evergreen World

    49:00: Weighing up Venture and Evergreen

    52:45: AI, Careers, and the Changing Unit of Value Creation

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • AI and Human Capabilities with Rita McGrath and Johan Roos
    Mar 31 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Johan Roos, Global Chief Academic Officer at Hult International Business School, co-creator of LEGO Serious Play, and author of Human Magic: Leading with Wisdom in an Age of Algorithms.

    00:30: Introductions — A Long Friendship and a New Book

    6:00: The Genesis of Human Magic — The Central Question

    10:34: The History Behind the Idea, From 2012 to ChatGPT

    17:58: The Five Cs: The Core of Human Magic

    22:42: Algorithmic Citizenship vs. Professional Citizenship

    28:24: The Junior Talent Problem and Unintended Consequences

    35:50: AI in Business Schools and Lessons from Hult Business School

    40:04: The Future of Business Schools and the MBA

    44:08: Rethinking the Role of the Professor

    50:35: What Human Magic Hopes to Accomplish

    53:45: Science Fiction, Warning Signs, and "Your Choice"

    55:06:What's Next for Johan Roos

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    58 mins
  • The Future of Employment with Rita McGrath and Deborah Perry Piscione
    Mar 24 2026

    In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Deborah Perry Piscione, co-author of the book “EMPLOYMENT IS DEAD: How Disruptive Technologies are Revolutionizing the Way we Work” and co-founder and Chief Future Officer of the Work3 Institute.

    0:22: Welcome and Introduction to “Employment is Dead”

    1:39: The Core Thesis: Why Employment as We Know It Is Ending

    6:18 The Destruction of Jobs: AI, Humanoids, and Physical Work

    14:18: Carlota Perez’s Theory of Economic Transitions

    17:54: The Work3 Institute: Advising Organizations Through the Shift

    20:32: Education: What K–12 and Universities Must Become

    27:23 Alpha Schools and New Models for Learning

    31:00 Economics, Purpose, and the Meaning Crisis

    37:40 Humanoids, AI Relationships, and Human Identity

    42:49 Optimism, Pessimism, and Where We Stand

    50:11 What Leaders and Organizations Should Do Now

    52:15 Where to Learn More

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    54 mins