Corporate burnout doesn't happen because someone can't handle pressure — it happens when invisible work quietly piles up with no name, no end date, and no one tracking it. In this episode, Natalie sits down with Renee Carbone Fleming, who makes the case for visibility, ownership, and showing up boldly at work — and the conversation becomes something bigger: how to tell the difference between the kind of stepping-up that builds a career and the kind that just feeds corporate burnout from the inside.

Renee's framework is built around a simple, four-word permission slip: watch me. It's a call to stop waiting to be picked, stop shrinking your visibility, and start claiming your work out loud. Natalie agrees — and then draws a hard line through it: not every "yes" is the same yes. Some stretch work has your name on it. Some of it is just corporate burnout in disguise, dressed up as opportunity.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why corporate burnout is rarely about individual resilience — and what Christina Maslach's research actually says causes it
• Renee's "Watch Me" framework for building visibility and ownership at work
• The difference between claimed stretch work (it has your name on it, it has an endpoint) and unclaimed load — what Natalie calls the Trust Tax — that quietly drives corporate burnout even in high performers
• A real story of a leader who beat corporate burnout not by doing less, but by building something that gave her energy back
• A two-question test you can run on any "yes" before you say it

Featured guest: Renee Carbone Fleming

Resources mentioned:

• Free Trust Tax Diagnostic — get your load score and find out which stage of corporate burnout you're actually in: [Click Here]
• Related episode: Natalie and Nicole Johnston break down how corporate burnout that doesn't always look like burnout: [Click Here]
• Related episode: Natalie and Jennifer talks about doing the thing that fuels you: [Click Here]

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• Follow UnCeiling You for more on corporate burnout, career ownership, and building work that's actually yours
• Building Your System with Renee
• Natalie's LinkedIn

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