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What If People Find Out? with James Barr & Kalvin Ryder

What If People Find Out? with James Barr & Kalvin Ryder

By: James Barr & Kalvin Ryder/W!ZARD Studios
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 What If People Find Out? is a podcast about rejecting those secret, supposedly shameful parts of ourselves, and living in your own truth. Comedian James Barr and music executive-turned-therapist Kalvin Ryder are joined by guests from across arts and culture, to share the part of themselves that they have kept hidden... until now. Each conversation, filled with laughter and reflection, teaches us a bit about ourselves too. This is a podcast about occupying your space with zero shame and where being unapologetically you is celebrated. New episodes every Monday.2026 What If People Find Out Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Susie Green on Trans Rights, Mermaids & Fighting For Trans Youth

    Susie Green on Trans Rights, Mermaids & Fighting For Trans Youth
    Apr 13 2026
    She's a mother, activist and one of the most important voices in the fight for trans rights in the UK. On this episode of What If People Find Out, James Barr and Kalvin Ryder are joined by the remarkable Susie Green. When Susie's child Jackie told her at just four years old that she was a girl, Susie had no roadmap, no community and almost no information to draw on. What followed were years of choosing her daughter over the world's expectations — separating from her husband, standing in a clothes shop watching Jackie twirl in a dress for the first time, calling the police after another mother screamed obscenities at her and watching the bullying took its toll. Through it all, Susie never wavered. In this deeply moving conversation, Susie traces her journey from ordinary Yorkshire mum to CEO of Mermaids, one of the UK's leading charities for trans youth, and the public figure whose viral TED talk and whose story inspired the ITV drama Butterfly. She speaks honestly about the years she operated under a pseudonym to protect her family, the moment the press turned on her and the emotional toll of eventually walking away from the organisation she had given everything to build. James, Kalvin and Susie explore what unconditional parental love really looks like in practice and Susie opens up about co-founding her new organisation Anne Health, and why, even after nearly breaking, she is exactly where she needs to be. Don't forget to subscribe and catch new episodes of What If People Find Out every Monday! To learn more about Susie’s work, visit Anne Health: https://anne.health/ Follow What If People Find Out Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@wipfopodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    55 mins
  • Andy Lee on Poverty, Homelessness & Finding His Community

    Andy Lee on Poverty, Homelessness & Finding His Community
    Apr 6 2026
    On this episode of What If People Find Out, it's all about community, confidence and finding your calling as James Barr and Kalvin Ryder are joined by Andy Lee — OnlyFans star, documentary subject and author of the memoir Smelly Kid. Andy's story begins in the poverty-stricken flats of inner-city Dublin, where he was the eldest of six children raised by a young mother battling violent partners and a system that offered her almost nothing. When his mother died when he was twelve years old, the foundations of his world collapsed. What followed was years of upheaval — thirteen schools, homelessness at fifteen, nights spent sleeping in a car and in 24-hour internet cafés — before he eventually left Ireland behind and started again in the UK. In this raw conversation, Andy opens up about how financial desperation led him into the adult industry, how producers exploited his vulnerability, and the years he spent carrying the shame of a past he couldn't erase from the internet. He also shares the moment his carefully guarded secret was exposed to his boss — costing him the job he'd worked hardest for — and why, eventually, he decided to stop hiding and own his story completely. James, Kalvin and Andy explore what it means to find belonging somewhere you never expected and why Andy credits the gay community with quite literally saving his life. He speaks with honesty and warmth about sexuality, masculinity, shame and the freedom that comes from finally letting people see the full picture. Don't forget to subscribe and catch new episodes of What If People Find Out every Monday! Get Andy Lee’s autobiography Smelly Kid: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FJGDJXCX Follow Andy Lee on Instagram: @do_it_like_andy Follow What If People Find Out Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@wipfopodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    40 mins
  • James & Kalvin on Relationships, Boundaries & Being Honest

    James & Kalvin on Relationships, Boundaries & Being Honest
    Mar 30 2026
    On this episode of What If People Find Out, there's no guest — just James Barr and Kalvin Ryder, sitting down together for a candid, unfiltered catch-up. Since launching the podcast, both hosts have found themselves unexpectedly moved by the stories they've been telling. From Emma-Jean Thackray's episode on grief to James's own revelations about surviving domestic violence, the conversations have had a habit of cracking them open in ways they didn't fully anticipate. In this more personal episode, James and Kalvin reflect on what the podcast has taught them about their own lives. They also talk about the pressure we all find put on ourselves to present perfect relationships to the world, and Kalvin reflects on what it felt like to suddenly have his own story in the spotlight for the first time. They also tackle ghosting — why it gets a bad reputation, when it's sometimes a healthy choice — and the painful reality of holding out hope that people will change. Think of it as eavesdropping on two friends being refreshingly real with each other. Don't forget to subscribe and catch new episodes of What If People Find Out every Monday! Follow What If People Find Out Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@wipfopodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@whatifpeoplefindout⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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    26 mins
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