Detecting volcanic eruptions on Earth is detective work; doing it on the Red Planet is a feat of cosmic proportions. 2026 Science Podcast of the Year winner Dr. Jeffrey Zurek welcomes Dr. Allison Graettinger (UMKC) to discuss the hunt for "Maars"—violent, steam-driven volcanoes—on Mars.
We explore the sociology of becoming a scientist, from muddy kid to volcano expert, & how these unassuming circular lakes are actually clues to subsurface water & ice. Discover the Marvelous Database, the physics of thermal inertia, & why a rubber duck named "Ducky" is the most famous attendee at international science conferences.
Topics Covered
- Phreatomagmatism: Breaking down the explosive interaction between magma and groundwater.
- The Marvelous Database: A global catalog of 430+ Earth Maars used as a training set for planetary discovery.
- Career Paths: Why New Zealand and Nicaragua were the "Permissive Environments" Dr. Graettinger needed to grow.
- Geologic Hazards: The moving threat zones of distributed volcanic fields.
- Experiments: Pouring molten lava onto "sand popsicles" to simulate Martian ice interactions.
- Planetary Detectives: Using crater shapes (even "Mickey Mouse" ones) to map hidden Martian water.
Chapters
(00:00) Maars on Mars: A Tongue Twister
(02:10) Phreatomagmatic Diatremes Defined
(03:45) Guest: Dr. Allison Graettinger
(05:15) Sociology: Permission to Study Lava
(06:40) Field Work: Dust, Ash, and Gas
(08:30) Why Study Maars? Hazards and Risks
(10:45) Scaling Eruptions: VEI vs. St. Helens
(12:35) Distributed Volcanic Fields Explained
(17:15) Physics of Magma-Water Interaction
(21:50) The Marvelous Database Project
(26:50) Remote Sensing: Thermal Inertia
(30:10) Mars vs. Earth: Gravity and Shape
(34:40) Searching for Craters on Mars
(36:40) "Goofing" with Lava and Ice Popsicles
(41:10) Methane, Permafrost, and CO2 Ice
(43:55) Mapping Water for Future Missions
(48:25) Ducky: The Scientist’s Companion
(51:00) The Science Joke
Links & Resources
- Support: Pateron
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Whimsical Wavelengths: Deep-dive conversations where a working scientist unpacks how we know what we know, one paper, one idea, or whimsical detour at a time. Hosted by Dr. Jeffrey Zurek (P.Geo).