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White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse

White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse

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FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war.


He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism.


In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Coming March 25, 2025.


This series was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.

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Episodes
  • Introducing: White Hot Hate

    Introducing: White Hot Hate
    Oct 21 2021

    ‘White Hot Hate’ follows the extraordinary case of a Canadian journalist who infiltrated an international neo-Nazi extremist network. Host Michelle Shephard explores the rise of white supremacist accelerationism: the ultra-violent ideology that drives believers to create chaos, in order to seize ultimate control.
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    3 mins
  • Season 1, Episode 1: “Save Your Race, Join The Base”

    Season 1, Episode 1: “Save Your Race, Join The Base”
    Oct 26 2021

    When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
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    36 mins
  • Season 1, Episode 2: “Best of Both Worlds”

    Season 1, Episode 2: “Best of Both Worlds”
    Oct 26 2021

    A tipster reveals that Patrik — who talked about derailing trains and setting off explosives — was a member of the Army Reserve. Does the military have a problem with neo-Nazis in its ranks? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840
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    37 mins
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I heard about this podcast from a YouTube video where the undercover agent himself, Scott Payne, talks about a lot of the stuff talked about in this show, especially season 2.
He has a very relaxed demeanor, direct and casual way of talking and acting, and comes off as extremely likable and the kind of guy everyone is comfortable around. Hearing about the many facets of that life, and even the recordings from his undercover work is so fascinating.
The host was very humane and professional, she did a good job not being too judgmental and being direct and honest about her own views.

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