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Wingmen Show

Wingmen Show

By: Drew Brown and Paul Thompson
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Two Dope Boys in a Navy jet. The Wingmen Show is a weekly podcast about challenges and opportunities in everyday life. Your hosts are two guys born in Harlem, New York previously unknown to each other. Separately, they became Navy pilots flying high performance jet aircraft on and off of aircraft carriers patrolling the world’s oceans. Their paths did not cross formally until they ended up flying for the same airline after their active-duty military service had ended. They have a wide range of experiences spanning the worlds of basketball and boxing. Drew’s father is Drew Bundini Brown, Muhammad Ali’s Wingman and coined the iconic phrase “Float Like A Butterfly Sting, Like A Bee". Martial Arts and Show Business are also areas of mutual interest. Drew has been featured nationally on television programs such as the Donahue Show and the Today Show. He has also appeared in hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Both are published authors as well as former Navy jet pilots and Commercial Airline Pilots; they retired after having flown the Boeing 777 airliner. The cultural mix of religions, immigrant parents and grandparents from Europe and the Caribbean gives them an uncommon perspective on racial matters. Melding the cultures of New York City, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Memphis, the Caribbean and Atlanta has helped shape their worldview when combined with the life they have seen and experienced having flown extensively to countries throughout the world.They are wingmen to each other, providing advice, guidance and constructive criticism when needed. The goal of the show is to inspire and entertain those unafraid to expand their minds and perhaps learn something new in the hope that the listeners can become wingmen to others. Each one, teach one.© 2023 Wingmen Show Personal Development Personal Success Politics & Government Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Team Pride. Oh What a Powerful Rush, Either WAY
    Jun 9 2026

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    Team pride is one of the most powerful forces in human psychology — and in Episode 253, Commander Drew and Dr. Paul dig into why that rush hits so hard, where it comes from, and what it means for your real life. Whether your team just won a championship or you're watching someone hold a job offer letter for the first time, the chemistry is the same: identity, belonging, and the electric charge of shared victory.

    From the roar of a packed stadium to the quiet dignity of a Korean War vet being walked home by a teenager in a hoodie, this episode is about what it means to win together — and what it costs when pride tips into tribalism. The Wingmen also celebrate a once-in-a-generation moment: the New York Knicks returning to the NBA Finals after 27 years, and a franchise using that spotlight to open doors for kids who never thought they'd get through them.

    The Frequent Flow Line letter from Michael in Juneau, Alaska hits differently — a 34-year-old man caught between love for his aging parents and resentment toward sisters who've quietly checked out of caregiving. And The Gouge tackles the single habit that quietly destroys more potential than bad luck ever will.

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    28 mins
  • How to Get More Men to Try Therapy-It’s Life Changing!
    Jun 2 2026

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    Every man gets handed the same invisible rulebook at some point: don’t talk about your feelings, walk off the pain, say “I’m fine” when you’re anything but. Episode 252 is about what happens when men finally put that rulebook down — and why therapy might be the most underrated power move a man can make.

    Commander Drew and Dr. Paul break down what’s really going on behind the silence: anxiety, depression, stress, and trauma quietly stacking up in men of every background while they keep insisting they’ve got it handled. The warning signs don’t always look like a breakdown — they look like disappearing from friends, snapping over nothing, or being physically present but mentally checked out.

    The episode reframes what therapy actually is — not a couch and a tissue box, but a structured place to get honest, get tools, and stop white-knuckling it alone. Therapy doesn’t make someone the hero of your story. It just hands you a better playbook.

    Good News goes deep into the ocean — literally. Scientists discovered 1,121 new marine species in a single year, including a ghost shark older than the dinosaurs and a worm living inside what researchers call a glass castle. With 86% of life on Earth still unidentified, the message is clear: we are nowhere near done exploring.

    Jet Jolt puts the miracle of flight in perspective — roughly 80% of the world’s population has never been on an airplane. Not once. For those who fly regularly, it’s a reminder that what feels routine is actually extraordinary.

    The Frequent Flow-Line brings a letter from Brian in Manchester, England, who watches the show every week with his children and asks how Drew and Paul decided to join the Navy and become airline pilots. Their answers go well beyond career choices — they’re about purpose, service, and what it means to keep looking up.

    The Wingmen PSA covers EFIL Fact #6: anger is really fear. Stress is the number one killer — and the prescription is simple. Sit down, shut up, and do nothing for 24 hours.

    The Gouge with Ace takes on a question every young person needs to hear answered honestly: what’s the real gouge on success that nobody tells you?

    The Wingman Story closes the show with Charlie O. and Tyler — a classroom, a partner practice assignment, and one athlete who walks past the cool crowd to sit with the kid everyone else is waiting to see fail. It’s a story about guarding someone’s dignity — and discovering that’s its own kind of greatness.

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    30 mins
  • Discipline Always Beats Talent. Discipline Plus Talent Is Unstoppable
    May 26 2026

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    In Episode 251, Commander Drew Brown and Dr. Paul Thompson take on one of the most misunderstood debates in performance culture: talent versus discipline. They make the case that while talent is a gift, discipline is the decision—and when you stack both together, you become truly unstoppable.

    Through vivid storytelling from Navy flight school, real-world examples of gifted pilots who washed out and steady grinders who became legends, and the unforgiving standards of carrier aviation, Drew and Paul illustrate that checklist mentality and daily consistency are what separate those who survive from those who thrive.

    The episode also features a powerful Good News segment on how positive thinking and brain science can actually boost your immune response—and a moving Wingman Story about Joel, a young man with Down syndrome whose basketball shot brought an entire school to its feet and the internet to tears.

    WE TALK ABOUT:

    • ◆Why talent without discipline is just unused potential—and how discipline is the multiplier that activates it
    • ◆Real stories from Navy flight training: the naturally gifted pilot who washed out and the grinder who became the most trusted man in the squadron
    • ◆How checklist mentality turns good performance into unstoppable performance—and why 'boring wins' in aviation and in life
    • ◆Good News: the neuroscience study connecting positive thinking to a measurable immune response boost after vaccination
    • ◆Jet Jolt—Formation Flying: the discipline of sight picture, closure rate, and why you separate immediately rather than guess
    • ◆Frequent Flow Line — Amber from Atlanta: navigating a faith transition without destroying your family relationships
    • ◆Wingman Story—Joel's Shot: how a young man with Down syndrome hit a bucket that went viral and changed his world




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    35 mins
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